USB-C on flashlights - never works!

so i have apple USB-C chargers, Dell chargers, etc

i have at least 4 lights, by cyansky, trustfire, wuben, that have USB-C input - but do NOT work with them…

WHY NOT
what a pain—they just sit there and do not get any current

what i have to do is go rustle up a 20 year old usb charger, and a USBClassicRectangle to USB-C - THEN it works!

Slowly!

why tf can;t any of the lights work with better, high power, modern USB-C chargers?

blah blah, yes i know about ‘negotiation’

but in the ABSENCE of that, [i presume the lights do not do any protocol] - WHY NOT SUPPLY 1-2 watts of juice ANYWAY!!!

why does anyone say usb-c is universally compatible >?

the one other thing i want to do with it [other than run pcs and charge phones] is - charge my lights
simple!
does it work?
no!
#$%#$%#$

wle

I believe there are two standards, “USB-A to USB-C” and “USB-C to USB-C” and often those plugs/wires aren’t fully cross compatible. I have no idea why this is the case or even if its completely accurate.

All of my usb USB rechargable lights work just fine on a variety of USB A and USB C chargers. Some lights (more expensive ones) 8nclided their own chargers. Granted, some do not work on C to C cables, but most do. I don’t have any Apple specific chargers, but modern charge protocols usually include the Apple 2.4 protocol in addition to the Huawei SC5 protocol, Samsung QC2.0 and 3.0, and some do PD as well. Not all charge at warp speed either. Older lights made before 2019 usually are limited to 1 A or 2 A max.

i don;t think that is my issue

actually i said the lights DO charge from old-timey chargers if they have an old-timey - to - USB-C cable’

Have you tried using the various wall adapters with different cables? Just spitballing here.

yes i can make something work but it is the most kludgy old timey solution possible

why can;t “just any USB-C charger, cable or plug”… work with “any flashlight that has USB-C in?”

makes me think USB-C is not quite the universal answer to every charge question

When I have this issue, I use a USB-A to USB-C cable with an adapter similar to this:

The adapter is uni-direction and the adapter's USB-C connector must be plugged into the USB-C port supplying the charge to work correctly.

yes but why?

if usb-c is so advanced, why can;t it handle this antique simple use case?

wle

i have new chargers that only have usb-c out, and those cannot be made to work

I’ve heard before that the standard is not as universal and foolproof as it ought to be. I think most people sing its praises because of the plug design alone (no more flipping it back and forth trying to make it fit) Here is an article about the USB C standard and the challenges it faces: https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/

For what it’s worth, my experiences have been mostly positive. My android phone recognizes my iPad charger as “Turbo Power” charger and supports the 20 amps watts it delivers.

I don’t tend to use the charging circuits in my lights though.

So USBC to C chargers are smart devices, they can supply power based on the device connected to them. For getting that right, the connected device has to be PD compatible (power delivery standard).

Many of the cheaper USBC devices are not PD compliant, to save costs. So when they are connected to a USBC PD charger, the charger cannot determine what power should it supply to connected device, hence it will supply no power at all.

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My guess is:

1) They do not follow the USB-C standard
2) They do not test it
3) They do not care and keep doing it even on newly released products

This article is pretty good at explaining it : USB Type-C™’s Configuration Channel | by Benson Leung | Medium

TLDR : they didn’t put pull-down resistors on the CC pins on the flashlight to tell that it’s the device and not the host, an A to C cable has these already on the C side (device), so it works even if they forgot the resistors.

If the flashlight has a Power Delivery chip then it will handle the resistors and work without issue and take advantage of the PD capability of the charger.

I have never had problems with USB-C flashlights. It just always worked.
To engineer this problem you need to:
Test different charging bricks with the same cable. If the flashlight is not charging, it might be the cable.
Then test different cables with the same charging brick: if the flashlight is not charging, it might be the charging brick.
Flashlights are not that common to have charging ports and new technologies (like you know, it is harder to find a phone without charging port than it is to find a flashlight) so it makes (some) sense it might not be as compatible with different cables and chargers as smartphones.

You can flip the plug around on USB C cables and that might works. I’ve had lights refuse to charge on USB C cables and flipping the plug around 180 degrees worked.

i can make something work, but i don;t want to have to do that

I only have one light with a USB-C port - it’s a little Rovyvon-clone keychain light. It works with all my USB-C chargers and power banks, old and new.

I think most flashlight manufacturers have figured it out almost 2 years ago. So I’m guessing these lights you’re talking about are near 2 years or older. So it’s time for some new lights.