(Convoy) What's so great about an SS bezel, if it results in a bad beam?

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(Convoy) What's so great about an SS bezel, if it results in a bad beam?

Ever since Convoy started using a Stainless Steel bezel the horrible artifacts started appearing on the outer edge of the beam. I’m sorry, but I’m not into flashlight porn where I want a flashlight to look pretty on my shelf or to show the girls to compensate for something lol just kidding. Seriously though, I buy lights to actually use for their intended purpose, I absolutely hate a ringy beam profile. Every single Convoy model that has an SS bezel has an outer ring.

There’s a faint purple or green ring caused by the AR glass coating, but the bright white outer ring is from the SS bezel.

H3 & M21G = SS
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Steel is stronger than aluminum, so if you drop your flashlight, and it lands on the steel bezel, there should be less damage than if the bezel were made of aluminum.

Also, the steel bezel is physically attractive, as you pointed out.  :THUMBS-UP:

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Steel is stronger than aluminum, so if you drop your flashlight, and it lands on the steel bezel, there should be less damage than if the bezel were made of aluminum

 

Far rather a dent than having to deal with a horrible beam I have to look at every night. I say, make it an optional accessory like it first started out as.

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Its not about SS, its just badly engineered bezel, host, optics .

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Well Funtastic...

You asked "What's so great about an SS bezel?" and I gave you the answer.

If you don't like the answer, that's on you.  :FACEPALM:

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raccoon city wrote:

Well Funtastic...

You asked "What's so great about an SS bezel?" and I gave you the answer.

If you don't like the answer, that's on you.  :FACEPALM:

 

Sorry bud, I meant visually when it results in a bad beam profile.

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Funtastic wrote:

Sorry bud, I meant visually when it results in a bad beam profile.

I realize that, but why ask the question when you don't want to hear the answer?  :THUMBS-UP:

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Funtastic wrote:

Sorry bud, I meant visually when it results in a bad beam profile.

I realize that, but why ask the question when you don't want to hear the answer?  :THUMBS-UP:

 

I'm wondering why people request an SS bezel besides the strength benefits. There's always so much complaints about beam profiles and tints, but SS bezels are still heavily requested, it's just so puzzling.

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Oh, the bad beam profile doesn't bother me.

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense to request a stainless steel bezel and then complain about the beam profile.  :BEER:

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Oh, the bad beam profile doesn't bother me.

That's fine. I can't handle moving the beam around and this bright ring is moving around with it. Hotspot > Corona > Spill > Black Space > Bright White Ring

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No problem with H04 SS bezel so far ;))

I have a couple of other brands and it’s perfect as well Smile it’s just something that’s on every single Convoy model.

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Sounds like Convoy needs to re-design their stainless steel bezels.

I mean, I love Convoy flashlights, but of course no flashlight is perfect.

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IIRC, member JaredM did some mods to a Convoy M2 (SS bezel) in CSLNM1.TG which included blackening the bezel to reduce artifacts and raise candela. I don’t remember what his method was to accomplish that, but he stated that along with a black centering gasket made a significant difference in intensity and improved beam profile.

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I jumped out of my chair and grabbed my M2 with SST40 and can hardly notice the outer ring. Maybe it has a lot to doing with the fact Convoy models aren’t designed for one set LED like other brands.

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Because it makes this less likely to happen in situations where it matters:

Are you sure it’s the bezel causing the artifacts? On the couple i have (non-convoy)i don’t get artifacts but glare (which i realise is subjective).
I colour the inside of reflective bezels with black felt-tip pen, it’s not a perfect or permanent solution but it’s quick and cheap and reduces the glare enough.

May work for the artifacts?

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I’m a Convoy dealer, so for obvious reasons I can’t start coloring in each bezel lol. I’m not a large enough store to request a custom version, so I’ve just had to avoid stocking every SS model.

It’s 100% the SS bezel causing it. I don’t get any artifacts with the Armytek Wizard C2 Pro Max, WR, and Nichia versions either

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TIFisher wrote:
IIRC, member JaredM did some mods to a Convoy M2 (SS bezel) in CSLNM1.TG which included blackening the bezel to reduce artifacts and raise candela. I don’t remember what his method was to accomplish that, but he stated that along with a black centering gasket made a significant difference in intensity and improved beam profile.

There are other means to this end. I use a black felt tip pen on my gaskets.
But it’s not a bad idea to blacken the interior part of SS (thrower) bezels.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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Some guys using heat annodizing so steel reflections (artifacts) are reduced by a lot.

I’m simply use permanent marker and “draw” on inner side of the bezel where it’s in conntqct with lens.

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a. subjective, i don;t think a ring is bad
b. aluminum would do the same thing
c. just get a magic marker and color it black [wasting lumens though]
d. i do need EDC ring to be strong, i drop them a lot, i have Al rings that have many dents

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I did not remember the ring was there on the beam from my M21C-U. I notice it again now that you mention it. However, the ring goes outside of my field of view if the distance from the beam is more than 1 meter. Personally, I don’t mind it at all. Of course, added sturdiness is quite important especially the heavy ones. Heavy lights gets damaged way easily if dropped.

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Just imagine the artifacts you must get from the Wurkkos T30S murder bezel Big Smile

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Well, it sounds like I’m being a bit too picky. The reason I haven’t been stocking SS bezel models is because I thought my customers would start complaining about it.

If lets say you purchased them from a store for 3x the price, would you then have an issue with the beam?

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Just imagine the artifacts you must get from the Wurkkos T30S murder bezel Big Smile !{height:720px; width:480px}https://zeroair.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/zeroair_reviews_wurkkos_t...!

Haha, yes, that one would be quite something. Glad it was optional

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Funtastic wrote:
CollectEverything wrote:
Just imagine the artifacts you must get from the Wurkkos T30S murder bezel Big Smile !{height:720px; width:480px}https://zeroair.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/zeroair_reviews_wurkkos_t...!

Haha, yes, that one would be quite something. Glad it was optional


Apparently the bezel is discontinued now. I’m not sure if it was because of all the jokes or if it was for liability reasons. I am no lawyer, but I think even self defense would look like premeditated violence if you carried this monstrosity around.

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It’s meant to protect the light. Just take a torch to it and problem solved and if you do it right it can look nice.

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Elzetta is regarded as one of the most bombproof tactical lights. Their solution: just a whole lot of aluminium at the bezel.

In outdoor use I barely notice the reflections from my convoy s12, though.

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Elzetta is regarded as one of the most bombproof tactical lights. Their solution: just a whole lot of aluminium at the bezel.

In outdoor use I barely notice the reflections from my convoy s12, though.


Huh, never heard of them before today.

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@Funtastic : With your being a store owner I can believe that's annoying.

As an individual it's also annoying, but a bit of time, etching solution, and permanent black marker solves the problem.

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Huh, never heard of them before today.

Popular in the same circles as surefire. Probably mostly purchased with taxpayer money.

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CollectEverything wrote:
Huh, never heard of them before today.

Popular in the same circles as surefire. Probably mostly purchased with taxpayer money.


Surefire I’ve heard of though. Weird that I am jjust now hearing about Elzetta. Maybe it’s because they don’t look as tacticool

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So many Convoy lights have stainless bezels? I’d not really noticed. I think I only have one an M2. But I don’t recall a ringy beam. Will have to check.

Although I run a Nichols 219B in mine. Bought as a host.

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