Red Flashlights

I’ve been into astronomy since I was a little girl and also I’m a fan of spotting critters at night, and a good red light can be great for both of those. For astronomy I’ve been using an old red 3 AAA light I’ve had since the 00’s and finally decided I should find some better ones.

I’ve been looking for good options at different sizes. I don’t want to go way over the top price wise but high quality at the price level would be good. I think 660nm is probably the best bet for me, but I’m also willing to consider 620nm lights. I’ve mostly been focusing on NIMH AAA, NIMH AA, 14500, 18650, and 26650 lights because those are batteries I already have and use.

So far the ones I’ve found that are most attractive are the Convoy S2+ with the SST-20 660nm and the Convoy S11 with the same emitter. I don’t see any Sofirn C01Rs for sale anywhere I’m familiar with, including Sofirn’s AliExpress store, so I assume it’s been discontinued.

Anyway, what other models should I be looking at? Any thoughts on the relative merits of these? I’m considering getting either just the S2+ or both Convoys. The impression I get is the S11 won’t be brighter but it probably will throw farther with a bigger reflector and be able to handle heat running at max longer as well as having very long runtime (and I have a good spare 26650).

Anyway, thanks. Sorry for being a bit rambly. I haven’t been able to glean too much from other threads here and elsewhere and I tend to be excessively thorough about surveying the landscape of what’s available before I decide to buy something.

Hi Lacci and welcome to BLF. This topic will probably generate some discussion. My personal choice would be a Sofirn SP10 pro with a red LED. Unfortunately Sofirn hasn’t offered this choice yet. However, you are in luck. Member Jon Slider has one for sale in this thread https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/71189 . I would PM him ASAP to see if you can get it. Or if you are interested in learning how to build your own that thread has a tutorial. The Convoy will be fine but may not have the really low moonlight mode that the SP10 Pro will. Good luck.

Zebralight H503r a little pricey but good investment if it will get a lot of use.

Wurkkos WK30 would be a versatile hand held choice but I think it may not be deep red.

Thank you! Thats’s very helpful. That actually was the first thing I thought of looking for. That, an SP33S red, and an SP31 Pro red. Sadly they don’t make any of them. According to the listing the convoy S2+ has a 12 mode drive, I’m not sure, but I thought there was a moonlight mode in at least some of them. I’m not sure about the S11.

You could check out the weltool M6-RD. Its a 2AAA pen light rated for 635nm, so right in the middle of your 620-660 range.

The convoy 12-groups will have a few with a 0.1% mode. Depending on the led used, that may get you in the range of 5 lumens or less, but probably not a proper moonlight or sublumen level that would be ideal for your use case.

The WK30 looks quite nice except that it seems like it would be too easy to accidentally turn on the white light. Astronomy people usually recommend dedicated red lights because to get the absolute best dark adaption for faint objects takes 30-60 minutes without anything but red and if one person in a group accidentally turns on a white light the people around them can get pretty annoyed (they can get pretty serious about making sure headlights from cars don’t impinge too). Some people wear goggles that only let red through until they’re ready to observe just to be sure their vision doesn’t get spoiled.

Agree regarding the WK30. I am a meteor watcher 20+ yrs so I understand your concern regarding dark adaptation. My vote would be the ZL as headlamp is handy and it is configurable to very low output, but it is on pricey side.

Thank you for the mention of my Red SP10 Scientist.

I think the Red Zebra Headlamp is also an excellent choice for astronomy.

Two neat hobbies…plus flashlights makes three!

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the deep red 660nm in person but it’s really nice. Most of what’s on the market will be the lower wavelength reds. I think for spotting owls or things in trees, the deep red can be a little more difficult to pick them out quickly, depending, while the lighter reds are a tad easier on the eyes for that purpose. When you’re talking about critter spotting, do you mean while out night hiking and such, so distances that are shorter/medium…or only for closer distances like when something rustles nearby and you want to peek around? Or longer range spotting for deer or coyotes or lions that probably won’t be very close to you?

I think the S2+ is a solid choice, and if you like the fatter body for the 26650 cells then the S11 will be pretty much like you’ve said. For up close use, the larger reflector on the S11 will produce a brighter hot spot, so that could get a little irritating if you’re not in the lowest modes. With his 12-group drivers you can probably find something you like…and if 100% is toooo bright you can pick one of the 50% max modes if you want (and configure those for either low-to-high or high-to-low sequence).

He also has the M1 model available in red, as well as the C8 style. The M1 is 18650 and basically the same as the S2+ with a larger head…bigger and deeper reflector, better cooling/cooling fins, and will put out more light at a distance than the S2 + will…but it’s still fairly compact and pocketable, plus that wider head will allow for more stability if you want to stand the light on a car or table that might not be quite level. The C8 is a larger head still and will give a pretty tight beam to reach out but still have a lot of useful spill light around your feet and such. For all around, the S11 or M1 might be the choice but if you need to reach out farther for critters, maybe consider the C8.

The SST-20 660nm will have a little broader beam (in the same light model) than the Osram CSLNM1.23 620nm. They’re both small but the Osram has a smaller actual surface that the light emits from, so it will give a tighter beam all things considered. I think he offers all the models in either emitter but if it’s not listed you can message him and he’ll get you what you want. The M1 is only in black but the S2+ and C8+ have lots of body colors to choose from if you want to differentiate the red light from others, or yours from other peoples’ lights.

M1: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802569407821.html

C8: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801433222841.html

Some other options are the lights from Hank…branded as either Emisar or Noctigon depending on model. He’s a little bit pricier but his drivers are a bit better and he uses the fancy Anduril firmware which allows you a TON of configuration options and features that no other firmware has. Most of his lights have 3 or 4 emitters but you can still get pretty low moonlight levels, and when the light is in lockout mode you can even have two different low/moon settings to choose from without risking really bright light accidentally. Anduril is complex and takes some getting used to but once you set up the light how you like it you don’t really have to remember or mess with settings. If you want only one or two modes, you can do it, or you can have ten modes, or you can use the smooth ramping and even limit the lowest and highest light levels on the ramp. They have tiny rgb aux emitters in addition to the main ones, and you could have those at different brightnesses, solid or flashing, just one color or a rainbow (the aux lights are kinda fun but they can be useful, too, and they can be turned off completely). He also has a more efficient “boost” driver that allows for a more steady output and longer run times if you’re using the light for longer periods at a time…however I’m not sure if that’s of much help on the red emitters….maybe (if spending the money on the boost driver upgrade is a waste for red, he’ll tell you so). These multi-emitter lights are more floody and don’t reach out as far unless they’re at higher mode levels, so quite a bit different than the normal reflectors that most lights and those Convoys use. He does have a single emitter version that (some assumption here since I don’t own that one) would probably behave like the C8 with a longer reaching beam, but a much more compact flashlight. Some other customization options, too, but they start adding up in price. Very nice lights, though, as long as the Anduril is something you can enjoy over more basic firmware/modes.

I’ll link a few models…in the dropdown boxes for the emitters he lists the SST Red for most…and like Convoy he’ll make you what you want if some combination isn’t listed. Have to pay for shipping, but it’s fast and dependable shipping compared to most on Aliexpress.

18650 4 emitters: Emisar D4V2 High Power LED Flashlight

26650 4 emitters: Emisar D4SV2 26650 High Power LED Flashlight

18650 4 emitters with a tail switch instead of side switch: Noctigon KR4 QUAD TAIL E-SWITCH 18650 EDC LED FLASHLIGHT

18650 single emitter thrower: New Emisar D1 mini pocket thrower - LED Flashlights

A small AA pocket light like the SP10 Pro from Jon would maybe be the most useful thing to always have around and you can use any chemistry you have or can find.

And pardon me if this is unnecessary but here’s a photo I borrowed from the SST-20 660nm listing in the Convoy store. Light qualities and beams are always different from camera to monitor to human eye in real life, but I think this comparison photo is pretty representative of what I see with my own eyes. This is up close against a flat surface of course, so shining it out away from you in open air isn’t quite as dramatic. The 660nm in real life is…it’s just really neat indoors and for close up work (and reading paper books…).

This isn’t the cheapest light, but it is worth every penny. The Emisar D4V2 with the SST-20 Deep Red 660nm emitters is a great light and has a very low moonlight mode. With the SST-20 DR emitters, it comes to $50 US.

Emisar D4V2 High Power LED Flashlight

The new 12 groups red driver from Convoy is indeed sublumen, in fact I can hardly see it on lol. I thought it was a bug, but Simon said he changed it to be like that for a truly 0.1% level

Those Emisars and Noctigons look awesome, but they are getting up there price wise. The zebralite H305 as well. If I get one of those I’m spending close to all of my red light budget on that one thing though. I have to be really sure about it (I was thinking maybe $40-$60).

With the convoys I have some room to experiment, especially as I’d like to try some of their white lights and the emitters and drivers can migrate between bodies. I was thinking about possibly getting an S11 and either an m3-C or an m26 and one red ss20 and one 5000k sft40. And the S2+ pills are interchangeable with the C8+ I think.

I’m also open to some diy in the future, I haven’t soldered in years but I think I might like to try some again circumstances permitting, I have the equipment. My background is in physics so I’m comfortable around electronics, especially on the theoretical side. I even designed what I guess you might call a kind of light and a power/driving/triggering circuit for it. It’s a spark chamber which is a kind of particle detector. Though I’m not familiar with any flashlights operating in big intermittent pulses at irregular intervals at 15kv, so it’s probably not excessively applicable. :stuck_out_tongue:

Have you had a look at the Convoy L21B with the red emitter? Ive used this (the red LED) in recent times mainly for spotting game within 20 to 400m. Has a tactical switch with 1/2 clicks to change brightness levels.

The C8+ has an integrated shelf, only the S2+ you’ve mentioned has a removable pill. The very early C8 had a pill.

That’s really good to know. Thank you.

I did look at the L21B. It looks nice. The only red I saw was a 617nm Osram I think. Also it’s a 21700 light and I haven’t used them in anything. I’m not super opposed to them for any reason, but I kind of figure I should stick to the battery sizes I have for interoperability’s sake until there’s a compelling reason not to.

I think noone has mentioned it before in this thread - Convoy uses buck drivers for red leds, so it’s pretty efficient. I have previous generation of these drivers (4 or 5 groups to choose from) instead of the newer 12 groups. They last a long time on lower mode (20% I think).

You just message Convoy and ask for the SST20 660nm. Simon customizes them to what you want