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Again: Good value in 18650

Yeah, I know, there was a kinda huge thread only a few days ago. But some things have changed since most of the posts, I think.

I bought faked TF2400 and I think my TF3000 might be fake too because I dont see them on the trustfire website. Maybe they are genuine, I dont know. But I want two decent 18650s for my two XM-L lights.

 

XTAR are good. Or were good, nobody really knows the new cells, it seems the new ones look different from the old ones.

Solarforce, Hi-Max and some others are often recommended too. I dont want to spend like.. 10$ per battery, but I think 11$ for 2 TF3000 would be a rather bad investment at this point.

 

So.. any advice?

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hi max 2600 for about 6-7 usd
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Here's some mid-priced batteries I've either had good luck with or that come recommended from others, hope this helps:

 

Mid-price Batteries: 
SolarForce 2400 mAh $9.99
SolarForce 2400 mAh $7.00
TrustFire 3000 mAh$11.70 / 2
Xtar 2600 mAh$17.90 / 2
HiMax 2600 mAh$18.90 / 2
Xtar 2600 mAh$13.5/2

 

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I just ordered 6 HiMax 2600's for $38 shipped, so a bit more than $6 per battery

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

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trooplewis wrote:

I just ordered 6 HiMax 2600's for $38 shipped, so a bit more than $6 per battery

How you do dat??  On that link, they were going for $18.90 a pair!!

70+, Old, Dirty and Fast..

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$5.25/ea if you buy 12 Smile

 

Purchase individually for a little more

 

Probably best deal for a reasonable amount, 6 batteries $6.33/ea

 

That's who trooplewis bought his from (on two separate occasions I believe) and they seem legit. 

 

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BetweenRides wrote:

Here's some mid-priced batteries I've either had good luck with or that come recommended from others, hope this helps:

Mid-price Batteries: 
SolarForce 2400 mAh $9.99
SolarForce 2400 mAh $7.00
TrustFire 3000 mAh$11.70 / 2
Xtar 2600 mAh$17.90 / 2
HiMax 2600 mAh$18.90 / 2
Xtar 2600 mAh$13.5/2

I would second the recommendation on all of the above, save for the TF3000.  

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Chicago X wrote:

BetweenRides wrote:

Here's some mid-priced batteries I've either had good luck with or that come recommended from others, hope this helps:

Mid-price Batteries: 
SolarForce 2400 mAh $9.99
SolarForce 2400 mAh $7.00
TrustFire 3000 mAh$11.70 / 2
Xtar 2600 mAh$17.90 / 2
HiMax 2600 mAh$18.90 / 2
Xtar 2600 mAh$13.5/2

I would second the recommendation on all of the above, save for the TF3000.  

Yeah, I tend to agree, but it seems like problems have been more with other vendors. Manafont doesn't have as many reported issues with fakes, unlike DX, DD or fleabay sellers. I would go for the other choices first.

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Unprotected:

Panasonic 2900mAh 18650 Battery (Grey) (6.49 for 3+, 6.30 for 5+, free shipping)

Sanyo 18650 Unprotected 2600mAh  (5.85, free shipping 3+)


 

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Considering the XTAR 2600 uses Sanyo cells and the wrap is quite good I'm still collecting those. The Solarforce batteries are good but the wrap is crap. I'm wondering about the Hi-Max though Smile

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I just did some tests on some XTAR 2600's about 9 months old (probably only 10-20 cycles). I wanted to do a test so I could compare them against the new ones I have on the way. Only got about 2199 and 2294 mAh at 1 amp using Turnigy Accucell hobby charger down to 3V. Disappointing. I haven't used them that hard and would have thought they would hold up better than that. One of these (not sure which) measured 2472 mAh when I first got it.

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Yes, I bought the 6 batteries for $27.99 plus $10 shipping.,

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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Have not seen anything on here regarding these cells (genuine or not) but they seem fair value if they are:

Protected Sanyo (?) 2600mAh for $8.34 each

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/sanyo-protected-18650-high-capa...

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So.. noone heard about the new XTARs or received some of them?

I'm torn between Hi-Max and XTAR, but hasnt anyone here heard of those new XTARs?

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brted wrote:

I just did some tests on some XTAR 2600's about 9 months old (probably only 10-20 cycles). I wanted to do a test so I could compare them against the new ones I have on the way. Only got about 2199 and 2294 mAh at 1 amp using Turnigy Accucell hobby charger down to 3V. Disappointing. I haven't used them that hard and would have thought they would hold up better than that. One of these (not sure which) measured 2472 mAh when I first got it.

 

Maybe I should test my own oldest Xtar 2600 to see, what it has.

 

It has been discharged mostly by 2,8A in short term use. Has never really gotten too empty for circuit to cut power.

Can´t remember, when I bought them...

 

e: 7-8 months ago and have been charging it now once a week.

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NightCrawl wrote:

So.. noone heard about the new XTARs or received some of them?

I'm torn between Hi-Max and XTAR, but hasnt anyone here heard of those new XTARs?

CheapThrills said in the group buy thread (last post right now) that the new ones seem to perform as well as the old ones. Also be aware that they are fatter and don't fit in all lights.

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brted wrote:

NightCrawl wrote:

So.. noone heard about the new XTARs or received some of them?

I'm torn between Hi-Max and XTAR, but hasnt anyone here heard of those new XTARs?

CheapThrills said in the group buy thread (last post right now) that the new ones seem to perform as well as the old ones.

 

Yes but I can only measure capacity at 1A.

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Okay, thank you. So XTAR it is. Got a good feeling with those. Smile

From what I've read, they will fit in my UF980L and solarforce L2P.

 

Again, thanks to all of you!

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I have some flames coming from Manafont(my first 18650), but from reading on here recently, who knows what might turn up!

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The TFs arent bad, I got 4 TF3000 from MF and 2 TF2400 from DX (those are fake, tho I dont think they are bad) and they all work very well. But its just as it is when you start with something new.. my first flashlights cost less than 10$, now I spend multiple times of that. So naturally, I'm willing to spend more on batterys, too. There is always something better.. always!

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NightCrawl wrote:

Okay, thank you. So XTAR it is. Got a good feeling with those. Smile

From what I've read, they will fit in my UF980L and solarforce L2P.

If you have the purple XTAR 2600, it may not fit your L2P.  I have a couple of those purple ones and none would fit the new L2P I received about a week ago.

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If you have the purple XTAR 2600, it may not fit your L2P.  I have a couple of those purple ones and none would fit the new L2P I received about a week ago.

 

That's a fact. NEW XTAR 2600's will not fit in the NEW Solarforce L2P. They will fit in the older L2P's, however. I have both older and newer XTAR 2600's along with older and newer L2P's so I've tested this. 

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Well.. I'll hope they fit and if they dont, I'll buy a couple of Hi-Max too and retire my TF2400.. Big Smile

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i just recieved some purple xtars from pandawill (they shipped from within the us and for two new xtars it was 13.50 with free shipping. got them in 6 days. 2100 did a discharge test on one of his purple xtars with pics in another thread (search "purple xtar" and the post will come up. he got around 2200 mah i think. cant remember exactly, and im on my phone right now or i would post the link to the thread.

Edit> Here's 2100s dishcharge test of the purple xtar 2600: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/5145?page=1 Post #77 He got 2288mAh
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I was just told that szwholesale dont sell to germany because they have an exlusive dealer here.

16€ + 3,90€ shipment (free shipment when order > 17€)....

I think I'll order Hi-Max then.

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Yesterday I received 2 pairs of the new purple XTARs (ordered from Serena).

 First charge test:
1. charge XTAR 2600

(charged @1A from 2.8v @IMAX B6AC)

No discharge test yet...

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I mostly have TrustFire 2400 Flames from DinoDirect.  Somehow all of mine are real, but I mainly use my pair of Hi-Max 2600s because they're better.  You can save a little money on the Hi-Max by making an offer to pingyi.co.ltd on eBay.

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CheapThrills wrote:

brted wrote:

I just did some tests on some XTAR 2600's about 9 months old (probably only 10-20 cycles). I wanted to do a test so I could compare them against the new ones I have on the way. Only got about 2199 and 2294 mAh at 1 amp using Turnigy Accucell hobby charger down to 3V. Disappointing. I haven't used them that hard and would have thought they would hold up better than that. One of these (not sure which) measured 2472 mAh when I first got it.

 

Maybe I should test my own oldest Xtar 2600 to see, what it has.

 

It has been discharged mostly by 2,8A in short term use. Has never really gotten too empty for circuit to cut power.

Can´t remember, when I bought them...

 

e: 7-8 months ago and have been charging it now once a week.

 

 

Discharging at the moment, going to finish soon.

Using Imax B6, 4,20V -> 2,70V with 1A.

 

 

 

EDIT: Measured capacity of 2360mAh

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@CheapThrills: I was thinking about getting some kind of charger like the imax too, but I read it gives wrong voltage etc. and has to be modified to work properly? Are there good hobby chargers for about 30$?

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NightCrawl wrote:

@CheapThrills: I was thinking about getting some kind of charger like the imax too, but I read it gives wrong voltage etc. and has to be modified to work properly? Are there good hobby chargers for about 30$?

 

IMO Imax gives accurate-enough measurement readings to hobby use.

I would recommend getting an Xtar WP2 II (~20$) for charging purposes. I use my Imax only for charging more rare setups and for testing. Most common battery types have theis own dedicated chargers.

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I've got a charger for my 18650s, I only think about getting something to test the capacity.. Smile

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