Are you calling me a Liar ???

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Are you calling me a Liar ???

  Recently I’ve disagreed with people and they are jumping up and saying 

   “are you calling me a liar ?  
 
Or

  “ so you say I’m lying to you .” 

When I try to soften the blow to their ego and want to discuss other possibilities they just shut down . Their world is black or white and even thinking through an idea other than what they “know” is just impossible. 
 Does anyone frequently hear this or do I just have a higher than normal amount of skepticism? 

 

*  No it didn't happen on the internet  

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Edited by: Boaz on 01/19/2023 - 21:50
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It’s not just you. A lot of people have a hard time accepting different opinions/perspectives.

  

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I don't think anyone has told me, "Are you calling me a liar", but sometimes in real life I talk to people that don't know what they're talking about.

I try to correct them with the truth, but they're usually sure that they're right.

I try to avoid those types of people that don't know what they're talking about and aren't open to the truth.  :THUMBS-UP:

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WHAT? ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I DON’T HAVE AN OPEN MIND? Angry

Wink Innocent

BTW, in my perspective, accepting or rejecting different opinions/perspectives is one thing: people are in the right of doing one or the other, although a reasonable way of living is at least trying to understand those perspectives, even if in the end they reject it !

BUT, distorting words or ideas to create an unreal narrative is another thing Flat Stare That “are you calling me a liar” expession seems to fall in this “box” Ughh

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I had an disagreement with Boaz once, and he literally called me a liar.

Wait.

No.

That didn't actually happen.

I'm lying.  })  :))

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@Boaz

Without having a transcript of a recent example of such a conversation turning confrontational, I certainly wouldn't be able to judge whether the other person was justified or not in asking such questions!

It's certainly possible that the other person feels the very same way with the same question(s) and concern(s), possibly even posting a similar thread elsewhere. 

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Boaz in Greece you would be known as a ψεύτης.

LOL

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Hmm...

"Thou shalt not lie" translates to...

δεν θα πεις ψέματα

 

But when that is translated back to English, it comes back as "you will not lie"  :-)

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raccoon city wrote:

Hmm…

“Thou shalt not lie” translates to…

δεν θα πεις ψέματα

 

But when that is translated back to English, it comes back as “you will not lie”  alt=)" />

The Greek language does not translate word for word to English. At least most of the time it doesn’t.

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zoulas wrote:

The Greek language does not translate word for word to English. At least most of the time it doesn't.

Yeah, it's the same way with other languages as well.  :THUMBS-UP:

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Maybe it's just a poor choice of words.To me lying involves some intent either to deceive or obfuscate. 

Clearly people dislike being told they might be wrong. Some more than others.

 In this highly polarized world, we're living in it's probably best to do what Clint Eastwood so eloquently suggested before it all blows up in our faces .

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When I hear the question "Are you calling me a liar?"

I think of the person asking the question as a drama queen because they sound like they're just trying to stir up s***.

...

I don't consider kidding around to be lying, though technically it is.

I agree that "lying to deceive or obfuscate" is a real problem.  :BEER:

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A few years back I bought a t-shirt for a friend….

“I’m not arguing with you, I’m just trying to explain to you why you are wrong”

Done in jest but it became his favourite.

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that has only happened twice to me,
well, that i remember, anyway.

specifically, “are you calling me a liar?”
(not anything else or word salad)

1. my answer was yes.
2. still yes.

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Old Croatian proverb

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Calling you a liar is one thing,……………Now, if they call you a George Santos? WOAH, that’s some serious diss Smile

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OH MY GOSH someone on the INTERNET told a LIE!!!!

Wait till you meet internet trolls. Just take everything with a grain of sand and try to have fun.

Would you believe I’ve always used alias that I change periodically whilst online. Does that count as a lie? Why does every site what my name, mobile number, date of birth, email? Life is a lot more simple if you are just a nobody online. But I digress.

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turkeydance wrote:
"And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many."

 

“And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Google: for we are many.”

 

Google vs. Googol

The verb google and the noun googol are commonly confused because they have similar pronunciations. Google is the word that is more common to us now, and so it is sometimes mistakenly used as a noun to refer to the number 10100. That number is a googol, so named by Milton Sirotta, the nephew of the American mathematician Edward Kasner, who was working with large numbers like 10100Google, on the other hand, is the name of a search engine as well as a verb that refers to searching the Internet using the Google search engine. (The search engine’s name was inspired by the number: the founders of Google chose the name to reflect their mission “to organize a seemingly infinite amount of information on the web.”) You can remember that the number is spelled googol by remembering that a googol has lots oo’s.

 

 sure it's probably just a coincidence 

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I never argue. I just explain why I’m right.

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Muto wrote:

Calling you a liar is one thing,……………Now, if they call you a George Santos? WOAH, that’s some serious diss Smile

I heard this on TV in reference to George Santos:

How much do you have to lie to be known as "the lying congressman"?

:))

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This is just one example for a straw man argument. The person using it is really saying: “I don’t care for your opinion.”

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Assuming it’s a discussion with reasonable people (not hardcore right-wingers or anti-science types) …. It depends how you phrase the discussion. Nobody likes to be told they’re wrong. I’ll often lead the sentence with “in my mind….”, Or “for me…” or “do you not think XYZ….?” which takes the conflict out of the conversation.

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Not a liar, just alternative facts.

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Σήμερα είμαι πολύ χαρούμενος γιατί σε αγαπώ

Smilin’ faces sometimes tell lies. Cool

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Camaro wrote:
A few years back I bought a t-shirt for a friend….

“I’m not arguing with you, I’m just trying to explain to you why you are wrong”

Done in jest but it became his favourite.

Ha! That actually describes perfectly the sort of reasoning that leads to arguments here. We have a very clear “no arguing” rule, but when requested to stop arguing the user invariably responds verbatim with that line from the T-shirt. And also: “I admit I was arguing, but the other user was wrong and I need to clear up the facts!” As far as the context of this forum goes I don’t care who or what is right or wrong, I simply don’t want to have to deal with arguments.

And going to back to Boaz’s point, yeah, it smacks of immaturity to recur to the “liar” label by default any time someone doesn’t agree with you or corrects you or you correct them. We would all benefit from a bit more humility and not always pontificating in absolute terms.

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I’ve had some interesting conversations with very excitable people.
When confronted with “are you calling me a liar?”
I always respond…
“I don’t know you well enough to call you that, but I will say that we get our facts from different places.”
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Maybe we all need to take a national refresher course on civility.

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I do not do well with people who know it all and try to impose their will on me.

Sometimes It brings out my Character defects and I’m not always good at controlling them. I’m very direct and tell it like it is. Not always a good thing. With that said, I never called anybody a liar! There’s an easier softer way.

Simple suggestions instead of the Iron Fist.

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Where is the “grey” anymore? Extremism is all the rage.

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