XM-L zooming for 13,4$!!!

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fran82
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XM-L zooming for 13,4$!!!

It looks like a romisen clone. Dont know the pill desing. I haven´t seen cheaper xml zooming than this

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/lie-ren-kc-01-cree-xm-l-t6-5-mode-600lm-zoo...

The zooming mechanism seems to be "turn" type instead of "slide" type

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Thanks for the heads up!

Ordered (with your ref-id). Let's see what kind of internals does this light have.

I'll write a review, but don't hold your breath - it's DX -> might take some months.. Wink

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Looks like a Romisen RC-29 clone all grown-up.

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_the_ wrote:

Ordered (with your ref-id).

it's DX -> might take some months.. Wink

Thanks. Sadly, your purchase didnt gave me any point at all. (see DX forums about the problems with their referral system). I dont know why I keep referring DX...

Yes, it might take some months. Even maybe they havent it in stock yet......

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I will never understand why people like XM-L zoomings. They throw the same light as a very smaller XR-E.. consuming 3x energy..

"no le temo a la oscuridad, la oscuridad me teme a mí"

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have you tried a decent one?

it is simple to understand.  3 times the spot size and 3 (or more) times the flood lumens.

i just wish they'd stop making thick bezels and use that space for lens size

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fran82 wrote:

Even maybe they havent it in stock yet......

You can leave the "maybe" away from the above sentence.

Please refer to my earlier "How to speak DX"-post.

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So even it doesn't work very well as other better XM-L zoomies, but at that price at least we have a XM-L and a host, nothing to lose here. Smile

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ezeqdb wrote:

I will never understand why people like XM-L zoomings. They throw the same light as a very smaller XR-E.. consuming 3x energy..

Some users realize that they only need absolute throw occasionally, while most of the time the flood is more useful, and in this case, lumens! Of course you can always go for a XR-E thrower if you want something that really throw.

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I actually prefer an XR-E thrower. The bigger the lens and hardest driven, the better for smaller and more intense hotspot. If I want a big hotspot, I just pull the head, and if I want high lumens flood, I prefer to use some EDC light like the Balder SE-1, which has a huge hotspot and 450 lumens.

"no le temo a la oscuridad, la oscuridad me teme a mí"

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This looks like garbage.

The drive current is 1200 milliamps.   This is terrible and only gets you about 350ish lumens, minus the significant amount of losses.

Heck, you could replace the XM-L with a latest rev bin XR-E and have the SAME brightness with wayyy better throw.

Whats the point of a weakly driven XM-L flood to throw?  It's worthless crap unless driven at 2 Amps or more, preferably 2.5 or 3.

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joe1512 wrote:

This looks like garbage.

The drive current is 1200 milliamps.

It's worthless crap unless driven at 2 Amps or more, preferably 2.5 or 3.

DX specs are garbage. Smile

Current is unknown until someone tests it. My guess would be around 2A, let's see..

..and it's probably easy to change the driver to for example this.

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at 1A XRE-R2 is 260+ lumens

at 1A xml-t6 is >> 350 lumens

34% more brightness w/ xm-l

and a I pretty much count on a driver swap w/ anything that has strobe, so the drive current isn't an issue for me

but i already own a few xm-l zoomies so I'll wait for someone to post a picture of the pill that's inside this one - maybe some time in 2013 if no one other than DX lists this Smile

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ezeqdb wrote:

I will never understand why people like XM-L zoomings. They throw the same light as a very smaller XR-E.. consuming 3x energy..

Sorta depends on what you want out of your light.  I modified a Sipik SK58 with an XM-L and 2.8 amp driver.  Added a reflector for extra flood and filed the body down so the head would retract closer to the emitter for a much wider flood.

The result?  A beautiful, very bright and very wide flood mode with no rings or artifacts.  Puts out a lot of light.  More than my Sunwayman V10r on AW IMR 16340.  Nearly as much as my Zebralight SC600.

In zoom mode, the light gets a lot less beautiful.  Every tiny scratch and ding in the plastic reflector I used becomes visible as the aspheric lense focuses on it.  Result is a perfect image of the XM-L die surrounded by a wide ugly halo.  Fortunately, this ugliness is only noticeable in a white-wall test.  If I'm actually outdoors and shine it on something in the distance, the beam looks fine.

However... even though this focused beam is ugly, and even though I lose half the lumens inside the bezel in this mode - it still provides enough throw to see quite a distance.  Much further than my SC600.  I recall reading about someone who did a similar mode and measured the throw at around 12k lux.  Sure it's not the 19k lux that my Q3 emitter EDI-T T11 zoomie gives, but it makes up for it with a much better, brighter and artifact free flood.

Bottom line:  An XM-L zoomie's throw is pretty bad compared to a small die high surface brightness emitter like an XRE or XPC.  However, if what you want out of your light is something with great flood for close in work that just "happens" to have the ability to switch modes to give some mediocre throw, then an XM-L zoomie may be just the thing.

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dthrckt: "maybe some time in 2013 if no one other than DX lists this Smile"

 

Big Smile

I shouldn't laugh though, it's probably true.. :\

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look at the comments on the page for this light Wink

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HA HA - DX deleted them

I posted

"please stop listing things that aren't in stock"

and mod 'cyclist' posted

"what are you talking about, this just came out" and then referred me to some about DX page

I replied w/ the line from the listing that says usually 4-7 days or whatever, and said it does not say in stock, and that if one ships before the end of the month I'll eat my shorts

guess they don't plan on shipping this month

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34% more brightness is crap if the flood to throw setup eats up most of your lumens anyways, especially in throw mode.  Yes the flood mode is nice, but Im perfectly happy with my XR-E in flood mode too.

If you are going to bother with an XM-L F2T, you'd at least want one driven at 2+ amps which will be a significant upgrade from your P4 or XR-E one, (in flood mode anyways)

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i can agree with that last part...might was well make it 3A imo

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This light seems to be available now on ebay too:
here here or here

Let's hope DX delivers it soon because i'm really interested how it does in a review Wink

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Whoa! DX didn't have it on stock, but still delivered in less than one month!

Ordered 3/19, Shipped 3/25, Received 4/12. Not bad at all.

And the light is very good for the price (which has gone up to $15.99). I'll write a full review soon, but here are my first impressions:

Pros:
- Small, but feels good / secure in hand because of the tail design
- Bright enough (~2.0A on high, 0.9A med, 0.3A low)
- Nice pill design (large enough, screw-in, screw-in internal ring to tighten foil & emitter)
- Good thermal transfer (whole light gets hot quickly)
- Rotate to zoom (good in my opinion, or at least different)
- Nice & even flood
- Build quality is OK
- Orange bezel looks cool (or at least different)

Cons:
- Small connector in the tail cap turns the light into twisty with some cells (shorts negative end of cell to the body)
- Quite big hotspot when zoomed in (2xYezl T9)
- Foil around emitter was not centered (easy to fix)
- Strange SOS (very fast)
- Ugly ring around the zoomed in hotspot 

Recommended!

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when I saw this thread 1st page I though - no way anybody got that yet lol

too bad about the price change.  must be popular.

when you get around to a review could you measure the lens, or compare to any other zoomies we might both have?  Probably 28mm, but I'm curious.

this bezel appears to have a LOT of room for a longer lens...

no big deal if you can't, (if it shows up at another shop) I'll probably buy it right away Tongue Out

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Glad you received the light!

Is a pity they have increased the price, but still is not expensive.

Waiting for your review, and thanks!

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dthrckt wrote:

at 1A XRE-R2 is 260+ lumens

at 1A xml-t6 is >> 350 lumens

34% more brightness w/ xm-l

and a I pretty much count on a driver swap w/ anything that has strobe, so the drive current isn't an issue for me

but i already own a few xm-l zoomies so I'll wait for someone to post a picture of the pill that's inside this one - maybe some time in 2013 if no one other than DX lists this Smile

34% more brightness isn't true .  34% more lumens....but brightness is somewhat deceptive since you can only see 25% of the 34% you're talking about ... factoring in the inverse square law of perceived brightness ....So you can say 8% perceived brightness . since it's a cheap light you can also possibly assume the aspheric is wrong for the xml and like you said the bezel is blocking light , theoretically there could be an overall loss of brightness and severe loss of user friendliness with a no throw "flood to no" light .

 but I still say buy it Silly

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yes, output, not brightness

but I modded my z6 xm-l zoomie - copper heatsink, glass lens, xm-l U2 at 3.5A (had one more chip for nearly 3.8 but that seemed a waste), KD V2 so I have super low and med that will run a battery dead w/o overheating.

percentages, meh...

all I know is, (inside 150 meters) it makes my XR-E zoomies look like kids toys Sealed

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I ordered one of this from tomtop's Ebay list last Mar 17. I still haven't received the package, but I'll update my post after I received it.

http://www.tomtop.com/super-bright-cree-t6-led-flashlight-zoomable-torch...

 

I ordered this one because I have the XP-R3 version of it and I like its build, plus I like its locking zoomy. This one I currently have can throw over 200m. But I hate the rings.

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Howdy jopat!

Welcome to the site.   Smile

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^Thanks for the welcome. I was a lurker since mid last year before I decided to register last month. Smile

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jopat wrote:

I ordered one of this from tomtop's Ebay list last Mar 17. I still haven't received the package, but I'll update my post after I received it.

http://www.tomtop.com/super-bright-cree-t6-led-flashlight-zoomable-torch...

 

I ordered this one because I have the XP-R3 version of it and I like its build, plus I like its locking zoomy. This one I currently have can throw over 200m. But I hate the rings.

Welcome to BLF!

I predict you'll be disappointed with that light.

If it's driven hard, it will blow up soon. If it's driven mildly you'll be disappointed with the amount of light when in trow mode.

That flashlight is ok for LEDs that aren't generating much heat, like XR-E, but with XM-L the amount of heat might be the a big problem, and XM-Ls already aren't ideal for zoom lights.

In any case, good luck, let us know what you think when you get it.

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Hi!

First i will like to say is Thanks for this forum. Its great. 

2 monts ago i have orderd 2X18650 with xml-t6 it was driven with 1.10A. The led was after 20 min dead, i think there was a failure in driver that blown the led. I bought a new driver and a new led, now its driven with 1,6A i could be more but i think my batteries are low current and they cant manage current more than 2A. I am very dissapointed with the throw function. Its not so many bright as my other zoom flashlight with P4 and Q5 led. And yes its true that the xml t6 led in that cheap housing can very fast heat up. I will to buy another zoom flashlight with 1 18650 batt. what do you suggest in the budget segment.

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@viktori

Hi viktori. Thanks for the welcome.

I'm not really bothered by the 900lm in its specs, it is overrated IMO. It'll probably be just 250-400lm max and its body mass looks enough to take the heat. I know that it will not be much good as a thrower but I just want a flooder that has a zoom function if the need arises.

I saw these two videos before and it seems good enough for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpsqmuOV6M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmXLbtZF7xU

 

I also have the Tank007 TK-737 XR-E but was a bit disappointed with its flood. When I saw those videos I was convinced that a zoomy T6 would be good for me. Other than the zoom function, its flood also benefit from the aspheric lens based from the videos.

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