The first XM-L T6 bin flashlights and P60 modules. This is the beginning

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xP.1337 wrote:

im still sitting tight for 14mm versions!

 

 

Me too, I ordered the C8 from KD instead.

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Hello everyone.  I've been a flashlight fan for many years, but didn't know there were communities like this until recently, so I've had a lot of fun browsing your message forum.  Thanks for sharing everything here for others to learn.  I've got a (ShiningBeam) MG P-Rocket 1x18650 SST-50 running at about 2 amps that I love as well as a very nice/portable Fenix LD20 CREE XP-G R4 2xAA, but I'd like to also get something a little brighter.  I'm considering one of these T6 CREE XM-L lights from KD mentioned in this thread.  My main goals are a very bright light I can bring into a large attic/shed when rummaging around or to bring into the woods around the house, so I need some flood and throw is not as important.  I don't care as much about runtime, since the light will stay at home, but a usable low mode < 75 lumens and tailstanding would be a nice bonus.  I'm trying to spend less than $100, which actually seems to rule out all of the SST-90 lights I've seen.  I'm not an expert in much of this, so I have a few questions.

Are these T6 CREE XM-L lights likely to be brighter than my mid/high end SST-50 1x18650 light @2a?

There are 2x18650 and 1x18650 versions of the T6 light.  Does adding the second 18650 mainly increase the brightness or the runtime? Or does it depend on the electronics?

Would these XM-L lights be as bright as a SST-90 with 2x18650 2900mah AW batteries?  Or should I look for other LEDs like a P7 for more lumens with that type of power input?

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Welcome to BLF, Anagoge!

A lot of good questions and the main answer is we'll just have to wait and see. The XM-L should put P7's and MC-E's out of business. SST's can still put off more light when driven to higher currents than the XM-L will permit (over 3A). At 2A they would probably be about equal, but the smaller LED of the XM-L should throw a little further. We'll have to see how hard the KD drop-ins drive the LED. If they drive it to 2.8A or greater then 1 18650 isn't going to last very long at all, and I suspect you won't see very good regulation (it will start off bright and then dim steadily). If they don't drive the LED as hard, then the brightness isn't going to be all that great. I do think they'll be floody like what you want.

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Welcome Anagoge! Good to have you here.

 

It is hard to say yet as none of these have actually arrived in our mailboxes. If KD get the dropin to me this year then I'll be happy.

 

There aren't very many XM-L LEDs out there just yet.

 

In a week or two, people will have answers.

 

While you wait, this thread may be interesting.

http://flashlightnews.net/forum/index.php?topic=2395.msg30524

 

Once good drivers are out there, I expect the XM-L to completely replace the SST-50. I doubt that Luminus will still be making the SST-50 by March. Already existing MC-E driver will make theXM-L beat the SST-50 which needs 5A to give of its best, the XM-L promises the same output at 3A.

 

But until they are in general circulation this may, or may not, be the case.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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I'm now searching for a nice 2*18650 host to xm-l it. Good heatsinking is my top priority. Any suggestions please?

 

Any reports/guesses yet how the xm-l beam will look like with average mce/p7 reflectors?

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Thanks brted and Don for your help.  I'm not sure if I'll go ahead and buy the KD XML T6 2x18650 now or wait a few weeks until someone has more info.  I wouldn't mind installing a more suitable driver if it is easy and the factory one isn't that good.

From the info here, I'm guessing that having a second 18650 battery (instead of just 1) mainly increases the runtime (not brightness), unless the driver in the 2x18650 body draws more amps than a single batttery can supply?  Is that right?

phlowcus, here are the 2x18650 XM-L lights I've come across recently (only the first will be a "budget" light, I assume):

I'm sure there are more out there and even more coming soon.

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Anagoge wrote:

phlowcus, here are the 2x18650 XM-L lights I've come across recently (only the first will be a "budget" light, I assume):

I'm sure there are more out there and even more coming soon.

Thank you, but I'm looking for nice empty hosts or existing MCE/P7-lights which meet the criteria so I can mod them to xm-l myself. Smile

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FlashPilot wrote:

Well darn you guys! Smile I just bought the KD C8 CREE XML T6 1000 Lumen. You're right... its all about output so who cares about tint! Hey, at least its a good excuse to buy. I have the similar SpiderFire SSC P7, which is my overall brightest 1 x 18650 light, so this should be a good comparison.

I received my shipping notification last night (2 weeks after ordering). Lets hope the driver and reflector are up to the task. Early flashlight mods indicate that the XML plays nicely with many different reflectors, including XRE, P7/MCE/Rebel.

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FlashPilot wrote:

I received my shipping notification last night (2 weeks after ordering). Lets hope the driver and reflector are up to the task. Early flashlight mods indicate that the XML plays nicely with many different reflectors, including XRE, P7/MCE/Rebel.

 

I orderd that one too, but since I live on a small island (just like Don Frown), I don't expect to get it soon. I hope you will post a short review.

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brted wrote:

Meanwhile Thrunite and EagleTac have announced XM-L lights, but I don't know if they are shipping yet.

I see no mention of XM-L on EagleTac.com.  Where did you see that announcement?

 

For now I have 14 Fenix LED flashlights; TK10, PD30-Q5, t

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Aloha and welcome to BLF Corvette6769!

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fran82 wrote:

Oh My god! Kaidomain has what they call XM-L P60 dropin

http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=11096

 

Look the pictures ¿really XML? because it looks SST!

I ordered my http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=11096 on December 3, 2010. 

Here is my followup correspondence: 

----- Original Message -----
From:
Kaidomain.com (Sales)
To: ***
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kaidomain.com Order Number ******

 
Hi,
Sorry for delay. We have a special situation results in a few days delay this week.
I will think about your advice and forward this up. You are right, we should be more careful about this.
Thank you for writing to us. And sorry for any inconvenience.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 5:14 PM, **** <> wrote:
Thank you for your reply.  I appreciate your professionalism and extra effort.
  
I do not believe it ever asked me to login when I placed the order.
  
What do you mean it will be shipped within a few days?
  
Your website shows:
Availability: ship right away
 
Why did this not ship 6 days ago?
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
 


 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Kaidomain.com (Sales)
To: ***
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Receipt for Your Payment to Kaidomain.com

Your order number is 1012030096. According to our system, it's collected and should be shipped within a few days.
Did you login your KD account before checkout? If not, you can't track this order status in your account.
Anyway, you should feel free to email me about your order status.


On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, *****> wrote:
Five days ago I bought http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=11096# from you (see PayPal receipt below).
 
How can I track this order?
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
******

 

For now I have 14 Fenix LED flashlights; TK10, PD30-Q5, t

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FlashPilot wrote:

Another one just popped up and its in one of my favorite P60 hosts.

 

I could not help myself, so on December 9, 2010, I ordered one of these too.  However, 6 days later my order status still shows BACKORDERED!  Surprised  KD website still shows "Availability: ship in 1-3 business daysYell

 

For now I have 14 Fenix LED flashlights; TK10, PD30-Q5, t

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^ get used to it. they are UBER slow

 

thats why i try to stick with manafont and DX.

my two favs.  tho DX is REALLY REALLY slow lately. but i expect that this time of year

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Definitely an XM-L in it -has arrived quite quickly.

 

Unfortunately I don't have a P60 light with me to test it in.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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Hopefully mine will get here today and I can then pick it up at the post office on Friday morning. Looking forward to hearing what you think about it. It's not like the KD XP-G drop-in where the reflector partially blocked the LED, is it?

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Went home at lunchtime to empty the assistant before she emptied herself on the carpet.

 

So, as you do, I picked up a few P60 hosts and some charged 18650s

 

Don't have the lightbox and meters here but, at first sight it is brighter tan my previous brightest P60, the M-bin MC-E that came with the WF-501 from DX. Since this dropin cost more than that light and its dropin it ought to be good.

 

I put it in a new-style WF-504B body i got from the Manafont offer. It is a very poor design on heat-sinking grounds, the old 504B was better. As usual I wrapped the dropin in enough aluminium foil to make it difficult to push the thing into the throat of the light.

 

There are some artefacts at the edge of the beam from the bezel ring - I'll try it in a Solarforce body with a flat bezel ring for the tests.

 

Beam colour is my favourite vanilla colour, maybe a tiny fraction bluer than my all-time favourite in the (lost Sad ) Trustfire F22. It is certainly a nicer colour than the M bin MC-E.

 

Will get numbers in about 6 hours' time.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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And photos, photos ... please......

This post/thread "may" contain referrals, a little contribution I "earn" in form of points ONLY if you buy the item. The purpose is to redeem items using the points and then making reviews of them in the forums to shar

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strange... new-style WF-504B body and bad heatsinking. I got two along with 2 fake solarforce L2's and a few other (the commonly called skyray) and it seems it does the job somehow equally good. It does look worse for heatsinking i would agree but the body temperature with foil is on par with fake solarfarces. Upon disassembling the heated dropin's there was no way to tell which one was warmer. Maybe you got a old style 504B that is way better than all my p60 hosts combined. One wonders...

Not trying to defend manafont but i got the body purely based on aeasthetcs because it is more appealing to L2 and clones to me. Have not found a flaw yet. Perhaps antiroll capability...

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i get payed tomorrow... will be ordering a flashlight (not drop in style) and a few of those XM-L leds

 

still awaiting a 14mm board

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fran82 wrote:

And photos, photos ... please......

 

Ceiling beamshot in new style 504B. The XM-L is on the left, the right hand one is a low voltage Solarforce single mode R2 dropin in an L2i with an 18650. Yes, the hotspots are burned out - this is just a quick shot before I take the dog out.

XM-L vs. R2 dropin

 

The odd shape of the XM-L beam is due to the bezel ring on the 504B.

Throw at 1 metre is 5250 - you can see from the beamshot how huge the hotspot is.

 

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It is snowing quite hard just now which might make for interesting beamshots later on.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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The colour on the XM-L hotspot sure looks nice! Looking forward to some real world photos : )

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5250?! Is that the same measurement that gave 3240 on the MC-E M bin? (edit: no, I was getting throw mixed up with lux). Of course, it's a given that they sent you the best one they had and all subsequent ones are going to be garbage. Sounds really great so far though. Do you have a current draw on it? LED is secured well?

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Wow...

kragmutt wrote:

They're gonna send you a green redcat with a black LED.

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Wow...

kragmutt wrote:

They're gonna send you a green redcat with a black LED.

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I had to go and get the dog a new eating bowl. The city is gridlocked, but I'll do some testing once I've eaten - it has taken me more than 2 hours to get back from the dog dish shop about 3 miles away.

 

Problem is the rural hinterland shoppers who infest the city at this time of year. They tend to drive extremely slowly in the middle of whatever road they are holding up and tend to be erxtremely aggressive drivers as well.

 

Add to this a blizzard and the rush-hour and the conditions get really bad.

 

And my assistant threw up all over the back seat of my mother's new car. The new dropin will certainly get some testing while I clean the seat.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

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You've been on a real lucky streak lately with cars and weather . . .

Also, like to know how well the modes are spaced and if the light has memory. You know, while you're in the car, cleaning up.

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Couldn't face cleaning the seat just yet. I'd made a mistake with the throw numbers - it was on medium, not high. The throw number I'm still finding hard to believe.

    Lightbox Lightbox Lightbox Est. lumens Est. lumens Est. lumens Throw
Light Battery Immediate 30 seconds 2 Minutes switch-on 30 secs 2 Minutes Lux at 1m
KD XM-L Dropin High in L2m flat bezel 18650 3160 3150 2990 567 565 536 12060
KD XM-L Dropin Medium  in L2m flat bezel 18650 1250 1236 1222 224 222 219 5250
KD XM-L Dropin Low in L2m flat bezel 18650 125 130 123 22 23 22 550

 

Same meter, same conditions as the MC-E. I'd better go and see to the car seat before I play any more..

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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