Review: KD 5-mode Cree XM-L P60 drop-in

KaiDomain 5-mode Cree XM-L P60 drop-in

Reviewer's Overall Rating: ★★★★★

Summary:

Battery: 1x18650
Switch: n/a
Modes: 5
Memory: Yes
LED: Cree XM-L T6
Tailstands: n/a
Price Paid: $20.70
From: KaiDomain
Date Ordered: 30 Nov 2010

Pros:

  • A lot of light
  • Well-driven
  • Nice tint
  • Good separation of modes
  • Very good mode memory

Cons:

  • Strobe
  • SOS
  • Eats up 1 battery pretty fast
  • Noticeable PWM on Low

I may do another runtime test and wall shot comparison.

Features / Value: ★★★★★

I was pretty excited to get this drop-in today. Cree announced the XM-L in the Spring and it has been a long wait. When KaiDomain offered a P60 drop-in, I figured I should go ahead and get it. Just to be safe I also bought a couple of their 2.8A 8x7135 drivers in case this driver turns out to be bad. I am thinking eventually I will build my own drop-in from scratch anyway. As it turns out, this driver isn't bad at all. At $20.70, it is pretty expensive for a drop-in, but really only a few more dollars than XP-G's were early on. And the MC-E and P7's it competes with are still around this price.

Most of the pictures posted here can be clicked on for an image twice as large.

Here's a comparison of LED's: Cree MC-E, Cree XM-L, and Cree XP-G:

The modes in this light are High, Medium, Low, Strobe, and SOS. It's kind of an odd choice to start in High, but because the light has memory, it probably doesn't really matter. The Strobe is blinding and fast. The SOS is true S-O-S with a decent pause between the words. The Medium is about 35% and the Low is about 5% of the High which is just about perfect. The memory sets after the light has been off for about 2 seconds, so that is just about perfect as well.

Build Quality: ★★★★

The build quality seems pretty decent, though there isn't much to mess up. The reflector and pill are pretty standard. The drop-in hasn't given me any trouble about electrical connections. The LED seemed off-center at first and then later I took another picture and it seemed more centered. It turns out that the LED isn't glued to the pill and instead there seems to be thermal compund under the board instead. This allows the board to slide around some. Once the reflector is screwed down tight, it will hold the board still and snug against the pill, so I guess this okay.

The soldering seems adequate, but on the bottom of the driver board, they decided to put their name, "sheng guong." However they used the isolation between the positive and negative rings of the board and it wouldn't take much solder to short out the little gap that is left. It even looks like they got some excess solder on a couple of the letters when they were affixing the spring. But it works for now just fine.


Battery Life: ★★★★

The battery life is actually decent considering the high draw. I was surprised to get 40 minutes of good light. Even though the current draw was dropping, the light is a T6 bin (supposedly, the lowest bin Cree makes is a T5 so it can't be any lower than that), so even at 1.7A, it is still putting out more light than a R5 XP-G. I measure the battery voltage at rest and the current at the tailcap. This doesn't tell you how much current is actually getting to the LED, but it is better than nothing. I can't measure light output, but Don is estimating 560 lumens or more. Because I was stopping every 5 minutes to take measurements, the light didn't get as hot as it would if it were on continuously, but it still got quite warm, though not hot. This was in my silver 504B host with aluminum strips in the head to give the P60 a snug fit.

Time (min) Volts (V) High (mA) Med (mA) Low (mA
00 4.17 2630 990 100
05 3.91 2400 940 90
10 3.86 2130 830 90
15 3.85 2400 940 90
20 3.83 2310 890 90
25 3.79 1980 710 70
30 3.75 1980 730 70
35 3.69 1820 720 70
40 3.62 1710 630 70

The OP reflector and LED:

Light Output: ★★★★★

Light output is impressive. There is a big hotspot, as you can imagine with such a big LED. But it's no worse a pattern than an AA-size XP-G light would have. There is still decent spill and throw, but it is mostly flood especially at any distance. The tint is better than I expected. It is a little yellowish or even greenish around the edge of the hotspot, but otherwise just a nice white beam, not really all that cool although the spill is a bit cool. For cool white, this is about as good as it gets.

First I'll do some indoor wall shots to compare the beam against some other lights. Unfortunately, my MC-E drop-in isn't working right now, so I can't compare against that just now. I may add it later. These pictures are taken 0.5m from the wall with the camera on ISO 100 and stepping down the shutter time to get a better idea of the details of the beam. So first up is my Ultrafire WF-502B with XP-G R5 emitter and AK47 driver (1.05A). The XM-L is in my Ultrafire WF-504B host and is always on the left. The XP-G is definitely cool white and you can see the XM-L is less so. First at 1/25th second:

Now at 1/200th second, you can see there is a bigger hotspot and brighter spill:

And at 1/1600th second. Nice beam, no donut hole:

Next, I'll do a comparison with my MC-E P60 drop-in with a 2.8A 8x7135 driver. I only measured a draw of 2.5A with this driver, but both lights have fresh batteries. First here are both at 1/25th second:

Now at 1/200th second (you can see the yellow ring around the hotspot of the XM-L):

And at 1/1600th second, definitely very similar output, though I'd give the edge to the XM-L:

Now to go out on the range. Here I am using a 4-second exposure to get about what I see. The potted plant is 25' away and the fence posts are about 120' away. So first, here is the XP-G R5:

Here is my XR-E R2 drop-in with a smooth reflector which has better throw than any of my XP-G lights, but not as much output:

Now the XM-L drop-in, just a lot of light:

Now my UltraFire MCU WF-1200L with a SSC P7 emitter, driven by 2 18650's and with a bigger reflector. The P7 is set up to really throw, lighting up stuff well beyond the fence, but it doesn't have as much spill as the XM-L:

Now here is the XM-L on Medium:

And on Low. The Low is pretty decent:

Now here's a mishmash of fence post shots so you can compare the throw directly. The first row is the XP-G and XM-L, then the XR-E R2 and the P7. The throw is definitely better than the XP-G, edges out the XR-E, and can't compete with the P7 and its big reflector.

Lastly, here I am swinging the light as fast as I can to capture the PWM. On the left is the XM-L on Low and on the right is the Trustfire XP-E F23 on Low which has noticeable PWM, but at maybe a slightly slower rate. It doesn't bother me that much, but it is definitely there. Most of my other P60 drop-ins give a smooth stream of light with this test.

Summary: ★★★★★

The XM-L seems to be everything we had hoped it would be. There are already lights out with 2 18650's that will probably drive this at the 3A full capacity and this thing will really perform. Even as a drop-in, it puts out significantly more light than XP-G's, but without as tight a hotspot.

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Nice review brted ..

Looks like XM-L is the go ...

A very complete review as usual. All what I need to know is there. Well done!

Thank you for such an excellent review. It will be interesting to compare this to your MC-E when you get it repaired. Looking forward to my XM-L arrivals and all the future mods with this new wonder-LED.

now i think i have to buy one. great pictures!

Thanks for the review. I were planning to get one of the bigger XM-L flashlights but this p60 drop-in seems to be a really good one after all. Will definitely get one someday, in a R5 style host if it has a better heat dissipation.

Excellent! Thank you.

Great review, complete. Thank you!!

I will probably switch the reflector to SMO if i find one that fits.

That's a good thought. I bought this empty host to get the smooth reflector for my XR-E (which has a big enough hole for the XM-L. I just did a quick swap and it works just fine. The beam looks pretty good (yellow ring around the hotspot is a little more pronounced, but not bad at all). I'll try and get some outdoor pics tonight to see if throw improves (seems like it should).

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5937

KD has one as well, though I haven't ever gotten it, and you can't quite tell how big the hole is in the picture:

http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=8378

Later . . . took some pictures, but the ground is wet and it's a little foggy, so the conditions are totally different than last night. Plus there is a lot of variability at any time in the fog. Anyway, for what it is worth, here are pictures of the MC-E, XM-L OP, and XM-L SMO:

XM-L with stock OP reflector:

Now the XM-L with SMO reflector:

Nice review Brted

The King is Dead Long live the King XM-L

Very nice results , had to order one , dont think it will make it before christmas though ...

Awesome review brted.......as usual. I'll have to wait till after the holidays to get mine though. C'mon January!

Superb review, Ted! Exquisite photography, as usual. Thanks a ton! Frontpage'd and Sticky'd.

Whoooeeee, that thing is a barn burner. Looks like the XM-L is a real winner. Almost perfect balance between good throw and usable flood. And relatively economical too.

And nice tint also! All high output emitters wew usually chilly cold whites.

Excellent review !

Look as a good candidate for the RC-G2 at 2,1 A...

A question for the cell's wise guys around here;Is that current safe to take from a 14500 the flame's ones ? I have no desire to buy cells more expensive than the flashlight itself .

14500 for a XM-L would not be a great choice. If you limit the current to the XM-L to 1A then it is a waste of an XM-L probably. If you manage to stretch out 2A from a 14500 then the runtime would be almost nonexistent. Personally i would not even dare. If you manage to do it beware that severe oveheating is also your problem. Also to stretch 2A from a 14500 it should be unprotected. I have no experience with 14500 but i believe they will never manage 2A. Also at that dsicharge youre asking for trouble. Instead of a pocket throuwer you'll probaly get a one shot rocket launcher. Play it safe and do not do it. Use a R2 or R5 instead at 1A if you must.

Not reccomended!

I think trying to run one of these off a 14500 is kind of like running some of these little AAA lights with a 10440. You would get 10-15 minutes of runtime and kill your cells after not too many cycles. I got 40 minutes of runtime from a 2400mAh 18650, so from a 900mAh 14500, you'd get maybe 15 minutes? You could do that in short bursts, but you wouldn't want to run it down all the way that fast. Plus I figure if a 10440 blows up, maybe that isn't quite as bad as when a 14500 blows up.

How about this idea... Use 2x14500 in a host such as the solarforce L2R. That way each cell only has to put out a little over an amp, and one still has a nice small (diameter wise) form factor. I've been thinking of trying this myself, because in use I find I only use high mode for @ 30sec at a shot so runtime shouldn't be an issue.

-Match

Maybe that configuration can handle the current draw, however the runtime will be the same as with only 1x14500. aaand the driver of the dropin must be able to handle 8,4volt. If I am not wrong, the stock driver handles only 4,2 volt