I will be placing an order for 2 this Wednesday. Got to wait for Payday. Actually I will make it for 3 total if I’m not being too greedy. I know a couple guys who would enjoy these as gifts.
I’ll take another to help the GB along. Paypal incoming.
Paypal sent. Here’s hoping this special little light comes with a special gift box
Sent payment for my 2 lights. Thanks!
Payment sent for one
Payment sent for 3. It’s going to be a great Christmas.
Sent a PM about jumping in on this, I’m still down for a few of em.
Payment sent for one… thx
Payment sent for 2, thinking about 2 more but might have to wait a bit.
Hi Rey, in TreviLux's review of the copper Tool preview sample, he found that the new no-pwm driver is not very efficient. It being a preview sample that Lumintop wanted response for, I assume that they may improve the efficiency of the driver before final release of the new copper Tool. How is that for the driver on this group buy light?
I’m hoping for an update too but I’m doubtful. The driver in use is likely what’s being shipped with the standard aluminum versions. It’s likely Lumintop already has a bunch of these drivers produced to use. Considering the little customization allowed from Lumintop on this GB, I have doubts they would be willing to redesign a new driver. All of this is speculation though, I hope they update the driver.
Is it the review by UPz? I read that and have reported it to Lumintop, they are looking into it.
“the light always turns on in the Med mode, regardless of whatever last mode was used.”
That is not the Rey Light Driver, if it starts on Medium, but has no PWM, it is the new stock Tool driver. The ReyLight Drivers should be LMH and the low should be 1% instead of 5% as listed by Lumintop
“the Lumintop Tool AAA Copper not particularly outstanding, even for maximum output nor efficiency.”
I see no unusual deficiency of max output (–23) given the even larger increase in CRI of the N219 (+30)
less bright is normal for higher CRI and lower Kelvin:
stock CU Tool XPG2 nominal 6000k 70CRI, 110 lumens on high
the BLF N219b Tool nominal 4500K (25% drop), 91CRI (30% increase), 85 lumens on high (23% drop)
I would not call a 30% increase in CRI inefficient, I would call it fantastic!
its normal for a single AAA N219 to deliver ~80 lumens
So yes, I do think the review was not of the LMH driver that Rey Light has negotiated, so also yes, I do hope the discharge curve regulation is more like the Maratac (Although I suspect he was testing one of the Maratacs with PWM), and less like the Thrunite Titanium (which does not have PWM)
question, is it possible that No PWM circuits dont have as flat a runtime curve as PWM drivers? iow, is PWM more “efficient” as far as runtime curve consistency?
Yes, but that one is MLH (#2 on the following model list), not LMH like this threads Group Buy (#3 on this model list):
Sorting out the Lumintops
#1. Copper tool with XPG2 from FStop Lights for $42 shipped. Some of those are still on ebay, had PWM and did not have the ringed reflector. These were not offered in N219, only XPG2, modes were MLH, with a 5 lumen low.
#2. There is a new run of Copper Tool with ringed reflector and N219 on Amazon, no PWM but still MLH (20, 5, 100%) mode sequence with 3 lumen low, cost with a discount code (MARTIN20) is $50. Also available from gearbest.com for $59
(note the photos being used for these ads does NOT show the ringed reflector, they show the older model with PWM, contact the vendor to verify if their photo is out of date and the lights are actually No PWM models)
#3. The BLF group buy is supposed to get a LMH (1% 20% 100%) mode sequence with N219 and ringed reflector, which indicates No PWM. Low should be 1 lumen (not 3 lumen as in #2). For Cost and ordering read page 1 of this thread.
I am well familiar with the Groupbuy specs, already paid for one.
Just good to see the final Manufacturer pictures, what the real specs are when received remains to be seen on the ones available thru Gearbest and others.
I have the latest version of the regular black Tool without PWM and am very impressed with it, so this should be even better.
I did not want people seeing Tools on Amazon and Gearbest to think they were the same as the
Group buy. Im glad you understand.
I agree, what we actually get will only be known once in hand, or someone posts correct actual pictures of the reflector.
Cool. Can you confirm it has the ring around the LED? Pictures always welcome.
fwiw Lumintop site has pictures also. They are not correct for the NoPWM driver, lacking the ring around the LED. Also, they show the same N219 image for the XPG2 version.
And the Features tab says
“High-efficiency digitally regulated circuit to maintain a constant brightness as battery life diminishes”
That means PWM. It is the same text as on the FStoplights.com site, that I bought a CU Tool from, with XPG2 and PWM. I posted pictures of the PWM Tool reflector next to the new reflector on my no PWM Maratac, .
Bottom line is there are at least 3 different drivers in use for the Tool. Two are MLH, of which one is No PWM. Only the group buy is LMH, and it is No PWM
Will the GB light have a ringed reflector? Will it have the Lumintop logo as shown in the Gearbest photos? If so, the GB light will look exactly like the Gearbest photos but with different driver.
What's the "ringed" for? orange peal reflector?
GB will be the same with factory default except the driver.
the new non PWM circuit coincides with a ring around the LED at the bottom of the reflector
on left is the Tool with PWM. On right is a new Maratac, which has No PWM, and the ring around the reflector. Other Lumintop tools are appearing, with No PWM and the ring around the LED, in the reflector.
Im glad we are able to get Maratacs and Tools with No PWM now