You basically just repeated what I just said. I would agree if the goal was throw its a fail but it was not so getting 165k from a light designed for primarily flood is impressive to me. 40k lumens is going to reach out there just from the shear output. If all that was behind something designed to focus then id expect 1 million kcd but of course if you had to put 36 leds in reflectors large enough to throw we would not be looking at a hand held light anymore. The optics vinh uses are great because they are so small yet focus quite well.