Are there any long throw high CRI lights at all?

Agro · 2020-02-06T10:42:59.000Z

Recently I found some Chinese COBs meant for endoscopes, stage lights, projectors. They typically are styled after large Luminus LEDs but can have high CRI. This is a new area to me, so I’ll just give a few examples …

100W 7.68 mm² LED that’s advertised to beat SBT90.2 luminosity despite high CRI. Though the hole in the middle is an issue, if it matches the specs, it should be good.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000339811390.html

Single die 60W 9mm², no strict CRI ratings

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32333740921.html

Small LED with a built-in precollimator, if it throws it would make a superb zoomie LED:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000233478407.html

Barkuti · 2020-02-06T13:33:44.000Z

Agro:

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Small LED with a built-in precollimator, if it throws it would make a superb zoomie LED:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000233478407.html

Guess that straight fits inside any ∅20 mm MCPCB flashlight. The base thickness is 2.0 mm versus 1.6 mm, not much of a concern since many zoomies over-focus anyway.

A test of that led would come in handy.

P.S.: The advertised chip brand is Osram.

The_Driver1 · 2020-02-06T15:14:43.000Z

The Luminus CBT-90 v1 and CBT-140 are available with "WDS" tint (5700K, R9080). The former SBT-70 was also available with this tint.

Agro · 2020-02-07T06:47:31.000Z

Barkuti:
Precollimator will shorten focal length by more than this 0.4 mm.

The_Driver:
Thanks, good to know.

The_Driver1 · 2020-02-07T11:04:37.000Z

Also, all Xenon short-arc lights like the Maxabeam and the Megaray are high-cri and throw extremely far. The specturm of these bulbs closely matches that of the sun. I wouldn't call these lights budget though . The Maxabeam is the farthest throwing, portable light that is commercially available.

Photonica · 2020-02-07T14:52:36.000Z

Interestingly, the Phatlight has a separate connector for what looks like a temperature sensor. Wouldn’t want to toast an $88 part!

zak.wilson · 2020-02-07T16:38:30.000Z

Since it hasn’t been mentioned in this thread yet, a 95 CRI SST-20 is a factory option on the Noctigon K1.

Watermanchris · 2020-02-08T01:15:26.000Z

What is the highest output LED with good R9 values?

Agro · 2020-02-08T05:16:34.000Z

Do multi-die LEDs count?
If yes - some large COB will give you many thousand lm.

The_Driver1 · 2020-02-10T16:14:39.000Z

Watermanchris:

What is the highest output LED with good R9 values?

Well, you asked for it: this!

It's basically a cooking plate that happens to light up.

The brightest power LED with good R9 values is the Cree XHP70.2 with 90CRI. If you don't care about efficiency the Luminius CBT-140 WDH is also an option.

The_Battery_Boy · 2020-05-15T08:49:06.000Z

I’ve just stumbled on this year-old thread and realised that the OP is asking pretty much the same question as in my current thread “Powerful hand lamps with high R9”, although his application is different.

I would be very interested in what progress the OP has made in the meantime. Has he managed to find what he was looking for, which lights has he tried (in this regard) and what has his experience been with them?

I also need the long reach and the high R9, although overheating and runtime are less relevant to me.

djozz · 2020-05-15T09:38:43.000Z

Even my recommendation a year ago was the same

The_Battery_Boy · 2020-05-15T10:13:24.000Z

djozz:

Even my recommendation a year ago was the same :person_facepalming:

Your recommendation in both cases was the Nightwatch NS22 and (in my case) you also recommended the Noctigon K1.

I can assure you that I have taken your recommendations seriously, although the Noctigon K1 is not (or no longer) offered with the SST-20 4000K option.

I’m thinking of ordering the NS22 Seeker from Neal’s Gadgets in both the SST-20 4000K and 5000K, as the price is so low that I wouldn’t have much to lose if they don’t work out. That would also give me the opportunity to compare the behaviour up to 100 meters of the high CRI 4000K with the 5000K and the Klarus which I already have.

Nonetheless, I live in an apartment and like to avoid clutter, so I’d prefer to get it right first time rather than have the place full of torches!

djozz · 2020-05-15T10:32:35.000Z

Nonetheless, I live in an apartment and like to avoid clutter, so I’d prefer to get it right first time rather than have the place full of torches!

I live in an apartment and was thinking that too, that was 8 years ago :innocent:

Barkuti · 2020-05-15T10:32:34.000Z

The Luxeon MZ 5700K CRI90+ led is an option here if you like cool white, for filming it can do well. For TIR lenses or orange peel reflectors (custom centering gasket required):

Lumileds Luxeon MZ 5700K CRI90 (LMZ9-QW57) color, CRI and output test
LED test / review – Lumileds Luxeon MZ 5700 K min. 90 CRI (3V) – Finally! High CRI, High power, beautiful light

Available at led4power. Since it is an undomed emitter, it can have a high throw in a high power flashlight.

djozz · 2020-05-15T10:46:30.000Z

Barkuti:

The Luxeon MZ 5700K CRI90+ led is an option here if you like cool white, for filming it can do well. For TIR lenses or orange peel reflectors (custom centering gasket required):

Lumileds Luxeon MZ 5700K CRI90 (LMZ9-QW57) color, CRI and output test

LED test / review – Lumileds Luxeon MZ 5700 K min. 90 CRI (3V) – Finally! High CRI, High power, beautiful light

Available at led4power. Since it is an undomed emitter, it can have a high throw in a high power flashlight.

YMMV, but I never got that led to work well in a thrower, the output is good but the throw is mediocre and even with an OP reflector there is a clear unworkable donut hole in the middle of the hotspot.

Agro · 2020-05-16T16:52:17.000Z

BTW has anyone considered adding a phosphor overcoat to an existing emitter?…
I know that Saabluster swapped phosphors. I believe it was hard.
I know that one other BLFer did paint overcoat. Much easier but could be substituted with a filter on the lens.
But a phosphor overcoat doesn’t sound that hard and may be more efficient than adding a filter.
ADDED:
F.e. start with Osram KB CSLNM1.14 (Blue Flat), add some Yuji or Nichia phosphor mixed with silicone…that’s it.

Barkuti · 2020-05-16T16:54:01.000Z

So, for long throw high CRI lights, are CRI95 SST-20s kings of the hill? I wonder what their actual die size is, no relevant information found in the LED Package/ Die Sizes - WIP - thread. About half of an SST-40? :???:

Any idea about what chemical dedomes have been tried with it?

djozz · 2020-05-16T16:57:01.000Z

The exact die size I can’t remember but the combination die-size/dome shape makes the SST-20 just a bit throwier than a (domed) XP-G2. And it makes great beams in a reflector.

Agro · 2020-05-16T16:57:57.000Z

Barkuti:

So, for long throw high CRI lights, are CRI95 SST-20s kings of the hill? I wonder what their actual die size is, no relevant information found in the LED Package/ Die Sizes - WIP - thread. About half of an SST-40? :question:

I don’t think anyone has done a direct comparison of dedomed SST-20 against Luxeon Z ES.
And Luxeon CZ is untried, personally I suspect it has a good chance of being the number one.