Armytek Wizard Pro v3 XHP50 VS Zebralight H600fc MK IV XHP50.2 - What would you buy?

BurningPlayd0h · 2019-02-06T12:52:21.000Z

waloshin:

Are there any beamshot videos of the H600Fc Mk IV I am debating between the 4000K and the 5000K.

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SKV89 · 2019-02-06T19:14:35.000Z

puglife2:

As a owner of 2 wizard pro (3000k CRI90 XM-L2 & XHP50) and two tiara pro (2000k & 2700K E21A), i would say get the wizard :nerd_face:

How did you get a 2700k E21A? Virence.com only sell 2000k and 3000k. The 90CRI variants of the Wizard Pros are not by Armytek right?

The 4000k E21A clemence has now is much brighter and more efficient than the 2000k E21A. D240 vs D160. The driver of the Tiara is also much more efficient than the boost driver in the Wizard Pro.

BurningPlayd0h · 2019-02-06T19:25:00.000Z

SKV89:

puglife2:

As a owner of 2 wizard pro (3000k CRI90 XM-L2 & XHP50) and two tiara pro (2000k & 2700K E21A), i would say get the wizard :nerd_face:

How did you get a 2700k E21A? Virence.com only sell 2000k and 3000k. The 90CRI variants of the Wizard Pros are not by Armytek right?

The 4000k E21A clemence has now is much brighter and more efficient than the 2000k E21A. D240 vs D160. The driver of the Tiara is also much more efficient than the boost driver in the Wizard Pro.

Probably mixed emitters.

Stefano · 2019-02-11T21:04:03.000Z

BurningPlayd0h:

waloshin:

Are there any beamshot videos of the H600Fc Mk IV I am debating between the 4000K and the 5000K.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9b-LaM5QSJI_pZAv94rUBQ

Hi BurningPlayd0h
Thanks for posting the link to my channel.
Unfortunately I am stopped for almost three years and he will not find helpful videos for your question.
I have not yet bought any new model MK IV, maybe soon I will do some videos with the new Zebralight models

@Ilumenati
I bought many Armytek Wizard (basic version) and Elf C2 - they are very valid and so far none has failed !

I bought the Wizard pro XHP50 and returned it after 24 hours - it disappointed me.
My advice is to look at H600Fc or Fd

Ilumenati · 2019-02-12T08:33:30.000Z

Thank you for the advice Stefano,

I had looked at several of your videos previously to help me narrow down my choices. I think your videos have been helpful for many other people as well.

puglife2 · 2019-02-12T10:27:30.000Z

Stefano:

I bought the Wizard pro XHP50 and returned it after 24 hours - it disappointed me.

Why?

BurningPlayd0h:

SKV89:

How did you get a 2700k E21A? Virence.com only sell 2000k and 3000k. The 90CRI variants of the Wizard Pros are not by Armytek right?

The 4000k E21A clemence has now is much brighter and more efficient than the 2000k E21A. D240 vs D160. The driver of the Tiara is also much more efficient than the boost driver in the Wizard Pro.

Probably mixed emitters.

Yes mixed

Stefano · 2019-12-20T18:17:40.000Z

puglife2:

Stefano:

I bought the Wizard pro XHP50 and returned it after 24 hours - it disappointed me.

Why?

@puglife
Sorry for the delay in replying.
Reason: Brightness much lower than the announced one.
Two years later I bought a new Wizard Pro today, this time I hope to have more luck, returning the lights is expensive …

Stefano · 2019-12-28T19:55:10.000Z

Wizard Pro has arrived today.
This time everything is perfect, I am very satisfied with the Headlamp, the performances are excellent.
The specimen bought a long time ago must have had some problems because it was not very bright.
Sorry for the interface of the Pro version, I think they could have done better, 3 clicks to get to Turbo can be complicated especially with gloves (the button is very low)
With the interface of the Wizard “Base” and the ELF C2 I am fine, here instead with the Pro you have to be very careful not to make mistakes in the selection.
I also have a nice Zebralight H600Fc and I could make a comparison, but I found out that my specimen has a strong parasitic discharge and I have to send it back to Zebraligth.
If I can I will make a photographic comparison.
They are both beautiful lights but I find the Zebralight switch much easier to use.

SKV89 · 2019-12-29T01:14:16.000Z

How does the tint compare?

Stefano · 2020-01-02T17:51:44.000Z

They are both good tint.
The comparison I made was very short it was cold and then the day after I ship the Zebralight back due to the parasitic discharge.

The evening I made the comparison between the two lights I also made 3 short videos but they were made very quickly and are of poor quality, if you want here are the links:

The tint of the Zebra is better (it is Hi-Cri) but this also involves a small reduction in brightness.

The Wizard Pro is slightly brighter and has a better throw, the Zebra has a better tint and a very homogeneous beam.

But there is no winner and there is no loser (I speak of color tint, beam and brightness)

I want to specify that the Wizard’s hue is also good (like all Armytek I bought) but you can’t compare a Hi Cri torch vs one that isn’t.

I managed to try the Wizard Pro in a wood two hours ago, it left me very satisfied and it’s really powerful.
I hope this Pro version is as reliable as the Wizard Basic and the ELF C2, I have bought them in the past, used a lot and have proven to be robust and reliable.

WalkIntoTheLight · 2020-01-02T18:26:15.000Z

I recently bought a Zebralight H600Fc MkIV. I’m really pleased with the light and tint. High CRI in 4000K is my favourite. Previously, I only had Nichia 219B emitters with that tint, but the Cree XHP50.2 seems to match it with much higher efficiency. At least with the frosted lens, which probably smooths out any beam imperfections.

This light also seems to give a lower moonlight option than my other MkIV models (SC600w HI, SC600w Plus, and SC64w HI). So, I’m pleased to have that option, even though I tend not to use the lowest moonlight very much. But, it’s good to see they’re offering the lower moonlight again, like they used to have on their older models.

Frosted lens is a really nice option for this headlamp. Great visibility up close, but not the harsh shadows you get from the mule version. Headstrap is comfortable, too.

I have a couple of Armytek lights (not a headlamp), and they’re nice. I prefer Zebralights, though. I like their UI better, and the feel of the body and switch.

SKV89 · 2020-01-26T19:50:10.000Z

WalkIntoTheLight:

I recently bought a Zebralight H600Fc MkIV. I’m really pleased with the light and tint. High CRI in 4000K is my favourite. Previously, I only had Nichia 219B emitters with that tint, but the Cree XHP50.2 seems to match it with much higher efficiency. At least with the frosted lens, which probably smooths out any beam imperfections.

This light also seems to give a lower moonlight option than my other MkIV models (SC600w HI, SC600w Plus, and SC64w HI). So, I’m pleased to have that option, even though I tend not to use the lowest moonlight very much. But, it’s good to see they’re offering the lower moonlight again, like they used to have on their older models.

Frosted lens is a really nice option for this headlamp. Great visibility up close, but not the harsh shadows you get from the mule version. Headstrap is comfortable, too.

I have a couple of Armytek lights (not a headlamp), and they’re nice. I prefer Zebralights, though. I like their UI better, and the feel of the body and switch.

I heard the H600Fc MKIV has alot of green tint so I’m curious why you think it is similar to the Nichia 219B.

puglife2 · 2020-01-27T01:05:25.000Z

The CS at armytek is the worst in the galaxy but i don’t care their headlamps are the best

SKV89 · 2020-01-27T06:39:17.000Z

My experience with Amytek CS is that they never reply to emails whether it is a presale question or after sales warranty. I was able to get quick response from them through Facebook message though. They replaced my Prime A2 Pro and gave me options for additional freebies to choose from. The CS was actually really good if you contact them through facebook PM. I’m a big fan of AT light design and finish. Feels very premium but rugged. Driver efficiency and regulation is above average.

zak.wilson · 2020-01-27T07:04:54.000Z

There is now a factory Wizard Pro 144A. If they hadn’t screwed with the firmware, it would be perfect. They did screw with the firmware, and half-broke the thermal regulation (it doesn’t step up when cooled anymore) and introduced an undocumented UI condition where the shortcuts don’t work right. They briefly broke the low-voltage protection, which is really dangerous, but only a few went out like that.

I’m not very confident in it knowing they’ve been poking at the firmware ineptly, but the 144A in that optic sure is pretty.

SKV89 · 2020-01-27T07:12:08.000Z

zak.wilson:

There is now a factory Wizard Pro 144A. If they hadn’t screwed with the firmware, it would be perfect. They did screw with the firmware, and half-broke the thermal regulation (it doesn’t step up when cooled anymore) and introduced an undocumented UI condition where the shortcuts don’t work right. They briefly broke the low-voltage protection, which is really dangerous, but only a few went out like that.

I’m not very confident in it knowing they’ve been poking at the firmware ineptly, but the 144A in that optic sure is pretty.

Do we know for sure that AT broke the firmware such that thermal regulation does not step up when cooled? That would be very disappointing. But it seems like they did fix the missing LVP in the final version so I’m hoping they fixed thermal regulation too.

fireblade893 · 2020-01-27T09:45:23.000Z

SKV89:

My experience with Amytek CS is that they never reply to emails whether it is a presale question or after sales warranty. I was able to get quick response from them through Facebook message though. They replaced my Prime A2 Pro and gave me options for additional freebies to choose from. The CS was actually really good if you contact them through facebook PM. I’m a big fan of AT light design and finish. Feels very premium but rugged. Driver efficiency and regulation is above average.

Your experience is different to mine then. I contacted them about my Wizard pro XHP50 which I dropped from my pocket and broke the lense.

I contacted them via email and Victoria replied saying that even though I dropped and broke the glass , that they will honour the warranty ( I told them I bought here on BLF) and replace it with a new one, I have to ship it to Germany (I’m UK ) but they will give me a voucher to spend in store to cover cost of the postage.

I must admit that was end of last year and I haven’t got round to it as I use it daily so I really need to get it sent, however I was impressed with their offer and the speed she replied to me.

WalkIntoTheLight · 2020-01-27T15:26:54.000Z

SKV89:

WalkIntoTheLight:

I recently bought a Zebralight H600Fc MkIV. I’m really pleased with the light and tint. High CRI in 4000K is my favourite. Previously, I only had Nichia 219B emitters with that tint, but the Cree XHP50.2 seems to match it with much higher efficiency. At least with the frosted lens, which probably smooths out any beam imperfections.

This light also seems to give a lower moonlight option than my other MkIV models (SC600w HI, SC600w Plus, and SC64w HI). So, I’m pleased to have that option, even though I tend not to use the lowest moonlight very much. But, it’s good to see they’re offering the lower moonlight again, like they used to have on their older models.

Frosted lens is a really nice option for this headlamp. Great visibility up close, but not the harsh shadows you get from the mule version. Headstrap is comfortable, too.

I have a couple of Armytek lights (not a headlamp), and they’re nice. I prefer Zebralights, though. I like their UI better, and the feel of the body and switch.

I heard the H600Fc MKIV has alot of green tint so I’m curious why you think it is similar to the Nichia 219B.

I’m comparing the beams side-by-side. No green in the H600Fc, nor in the 219B of course. The zebralight is a bit warmer than the 4000K 219B, so it’s difficult to compare directly. The warmer tint makes it look more yellow, but I’m not sure if that’s just because it’s warmer. Maybe it’s also closer to the neutral BBL which makes it look more yellow, because the Nichia 219B tends to be a bit on the magenta side of the BBL.

Anyway, no, there’s no green in the H600Fc, or at least not any I notice when white-wall hunting. If it wasn’t a frosted lens, I suspect there would be some green in the corona, but that gets smoothed out with the frosted lens. I don’t the Zebralight sells any of the high-CRI 50.2 emitters without a frosted lens, so I’m not sure what they look like without frosting. I know my SC600w Plus, with a regular (non high CRI) emitter and clear lens, does show a bit of green in the corona, but it’s not too bad.

BurningPlayd0h · 2020-01-27T20:36:51.000Z

I put some 1/8 minus green filter on my H600c (they do sell unfrosted versions now) and it is noticeably rosier than the 4000K 219Cs and LH351Ds (including sliced 351s) I have in several lights. Experimented with adding some diffusion film to smooth out the beam but the tint shift is minimal enough that I’ll stick with the increased throw of a clear lens.

zak.wilson · 2020-01-30T02:18:02.000Z

SKV89:

Do we know for sure that AT broke the firmware such that thermal regulation does not step up when cooled? That would be very disappointing. But it seems like they did fix the missing LVP in the final version so I’m hoping they fixed thermal regulation too.

We know that people have seen the combination of working LVP and the presence of an undocumented UI state in place of the removed momentary mode, in which the shortcuts don’t work and every click is an on/off toggle. I’m not sure anybody has tested the thermal regulation on a sample with working LVP.