Attention YouTube!!

clemence · 2019-07-30T16:49:16.000Z

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MascaratumB · 2019-07-30T17:03:25.000Z

Thanks for the heads-up Clemence!

Jack_Kellar · 2019-07-30T17:12:31.000Z

Hell yeah. I remember watching this as soon as Jörg put it up.

strayz · 2019-07-30T23:23:32.000Z

Lets see if it gets any traction.

International law gets tricky. And You tube could just say forget Germany, and end all contractual agreements with creators and just have a “You upload it and we will let the logarithms put it out there.” It would be google just saying screw you.

I do like that people are starting to rise up about this. It is about time. If information is supposed to be free and unbiased when using search engines then why does google show things out of order, or with a bias?

/rant off

kiriba-ru · 2019-07-31T07:12:22.000Z

strayz:

International law gets tricky. And You tube could just say forget Germany, and end all contractual agreements with creators and just have a “You upload it and we will let the logarithms put it out there.” It would be google just saying screw you.

Agree.
Any big international company have to work with local governments, neverless how ugly they are.
Youtube needs big traffic and speeds, this means telegram way (do not deal with governments~~be blocked~~>setup various proxy servers and update them everyday) is not possible atm.

cayman · 2019-07-31T07:29:55.000Z

What many people don’t realize is probably how different content is already shown/indexed based on local geography and laws. Even though I am based in the US, I travel for both business and pleasure. Whenever I spend time in the EU, the search results of my queries are very different compared to a US based search. This is most significant on Youtube where certain content is simply “not desired” in other markets, apparently?

It is not that specific videos don’t work or can not be linked to (even though that is implemented, especially for music/licensed content) - it is more like content from certain “areas” or industries can’t be searched or displayed. The video still exists if you have the direct link.

kiriba-ru · 2019-07-31T07:33:26.000Z

cayman:

What many people don’t realize is probably how different content is already shown/indexed based on local geography and laws. Even though I am based in the US, I travel for both business and pleasure. Whenever I spend time in the EU the search results of my queries is very different compared to a US based search. This is most significant on Youtube where certain content is simply “not desired” in other markets, apparently?

It is not that specific videos don’t work or can not be linked to (even though that is implemented, especially for music/licensed content) - it is more like content from certain “areas” or industries can’t be searched or displayed. The video still exists if you have the direct link.

Same as ebay-aliexpress and other marketplaces, facebook and other social media, most popular mobile apps do.
Different laws+different licenses (in some countries any website that collect or just show news have to get mass media license)+different marketing areas+individual targeting.

P.S. You dont need to move woldwide to see the difference. Сan just use proxy.

P.S.S. Not close related story, but I will leave it here.
Some motor oil manufactures use same partnumber but different labels for different markets. I.e. I have a partnumber, and make google seach restricted by concrete country. Same product (motor oil) is sold in Japan as 100% mineral, in EU as semi-synthetic, in Russia - as 100% synthetic :person_facepalming:

cayman · 2019-07-31T09:18:26.000Z

kiriba-ru:

Same as ebay-aliexpress and other marketplaces, facebook and other social media, most popular mobile apps do.
Different laws+different licenses (in some countries any website that collect or just show news have to get mass media license)+different marketing areas+individual targeting.

100% agree, the same principle applies for all large-scale commercial websites (oh, and obviously for news/media as well). I really don’t get why AliExpress is doing it though, the sellers are largely in China and they ship worldwide, what is the point in excluding customers from a certain region?
I get it when it comes to restricted products (knives, self-defense, …) - but I have recently seen a AE listing for a “micro USB to Type-C adapter” (20 cent item) that was “invisible” to European customers… like, really?!

kiriba-ru · 2019-07-31T10:01:05.000Z

Ali and other e-commerce need to follow the local (destination country) rules in patents and copyrights. Some big companies (for example, one that is selling child toys from peppa pig cartoon) have only dealer in one country or region. Any other sellers (resellers) of same (or counterfeit) goods recieve court invitation soon after they were caught. They have different ways to clean market from copies - special employees who walk through local shop and making photos, special documents for customs (import customs for EU and export customs for China, BTW export permission for few countries which do not worry about copyrights is very common for China), sometimes they even ready to buy a pilot batch to find out and judge manufacture.
But as far as chinese sellers (ali) have their own problems (shipping), the most easy and effective way is communication with platform itself. Ali should hide all brand items and easy recognizable clones from the search, or next barge with goods will pass through all inspections that you can imagine and it will take 60-90 extra days.

P.S. Once I found a video with some unique machinary techinics. Machined part had a little relation with weapons, and youtube hide it in search for all countries because of one of the US laws. So you can carry a weapon, but not allowed to see some technics about its accessories made. Whats next? You can eat food, but not allowed to see how it is made if you dont have a cooking PhD?

clemence · 2019-08-31T20:51:21.000Z

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