bad test vibes over Amsterdam

I really had a good idea tonight, having a whole evening for flashlight hobbying (=scarce) I wanted to do an output test tonight on the 7A3 80CRI XP-L U5 bin led from intl-outdoor, and then again dedomed because I wanted that led dedomed anyway for a triple together with two 2A XP-L leds. It would give more data on the XP-L in general, and I could check the strange result I found before with the 2A emitter that dedoming did not seem to result in lower output for the XP-L.

Then the luxmeter in my integrating sphere gave reading zero. Checked everything and finally disassembled the whole sphere (the sensor is permanently attached to the inside of the sphere) to find that a wire had broken right at the solder joint on the sensor board (I had fiddled too much with the sensor wire over time, so it broke). Soldered it again, also made a new aperture before the sensor because everything was open anyway (the old aperture was attached in a kind of makeshift way, ok working but the new one fits better), assembled the whole thing, re-did all the necessary calibrations (the values did not change much, a tiny bit) and I was living two hours later .

Started the test with the XP-L 7A3 80CRI, all went well, I was going to stop at 8.5A and then dedome it. Then between 8 and 8.5A:

The bond wires blew early. I have heard before of leds that blow at lower currents than I had measured, so apparently there's variation in that, but I had not have the pleasure myself yet . As you can see below it is indeed the bond wires, where a clear wire should be is two blobs of silicone:

So now it is bed time, repaired the sphere, lost a very nice emitter and gained nothing.

Well, there is the test series of the XP-L 7A3 80CRI up to 8A. Summarised: 1) the output of thw 7A3 80CRI U5 is 20% lower than the 2A V6 led (as quite expected), 2) the maximum output is at 7.5A, as with the 2A tint XP-L, and 3) the voltage of this specific led is 0.2V lower than the XP-L 2A led that I used in my first XP-L test. That is a large difference, this 7A3 led comes very close to the voltage of a normal XM-L2, while the 2A that I measured earlier had a surprising high voltage. I guess what I see is voltage variation between leds (does Cree do voltage binning?).

I hope that the next test session goes better...

Thanks for the tests again..

looking forward to your next test

Oh, and I like tables ;)

Like this

Thank you for all the work you do :beer: May that led be an offering for the Lumen gods and all the later tests be perfect. :slight_smile:

I wonder if the apparent “Frosting” of the dome in the XP-L (Going by your pics) could affect the lumen output when compared to the XM-L2 that has a somewhat clear dome. What are your toughts?

ok Chibi, results XP-L 7A3 80CRI, U5 bin, from intl-outdoor.com:

current (A) voltage over led wires lumen (according to djozz)
0.2 2.69 68
0.5 2.83 203
1 2.98 412
1.5 3.11 613
2 3.21 775
2.5 3.29 916
3 3.37 1045
3.5 3.45 1168
4 3.52 1284
4.5 3.59 1376
5 3.66 1455
5.5 3.74 1529
6 3.81 1585
6.5 3.88 1623
7 3.97 1650
7.5 4.08 1653
8 4.21 1632
POOF

Gained a war story.

I did a test with a XM-L2 a few months ago that I mounted on six different boards, when on board nr.6 at 8.5A a black burn appeared on the dome. I had to do one more reflow on the original board, so I just cut that piece of dome off, leaving a quite large flat/rough bit. Directly after, I re-measured the led output and got exactly the same results. So my idea is that the frosting of the XP-L may affect the beam but not the output.

Thanks djozz.

Your data is always valuable and I appreciate the time you put into tests and sharing results.

Would be nice if you mentioned where the emitters came from and what bin they are (2A and the 7A3).

Yes, you are quite right , I'm going to have sweet dreams now that I wrote it off my mind (something exciting with bond wires I presume )

you are very right, the 7A3 (intl-outdoor) was a U5, the 2A (Illumn) was a V6, I'll update!

Orsm testing djozz. Most of my testing goes that way. sometimes I know why and others who knows. I cant wait for the V8 to come out and see how that handles for you.

Love that!!

Sorry to hear about the time lost for the sensor repair and for the emitter loss. Sounds like a rough evening. The data you acquired is good info though. Thank you.

Data analysis porn.

really like the ‘exploding’ flashing icon thing. Can’t say as I have ever seen another like it.

Now just to graph the plot points and see where the curve stops going up and starts the slow arch and that will be the “sweet spot” between lumens and heat

Awesome!

Too bad a poor XP-L gave it’s life in the process :frowning: (cue ♫taps♫ here)

Thank you for the testing djozz. It is really appreciated. Hope the next sessions go smoother.