Budget full-sized handgun <$400, probably 9mm

What about the handguns that are in the OP?

Aren't they excellent handguns that are cheaper than a Glock?

No, same price maybe but cheaper no.

Big name guns are tested ever day by shooters. Problems like the trigger issue with the Sig P320 was found that way and fixed. Cheap uncommon guns don’t get that level of attention or initial design. Cheap is cheap because they can’t compete with the higher quality firearms. Find a pistol that has been around a few years with a million+ made and it’s been refined. Gun market is very competitive. A bit like cars, you get what you pay for.

The Glock retails for $500 and the handguns that I linked to retail for less than $400.

I know cars better than guns.

Some Toyotas are excellent cars and are pretty inexpensive.

And there are plenty of expensive cars that are just plain terrible.

Of course personal preference comes into play, but I don’t agree that full size are inherently better than traditional “compact” or “subcompact” sizes. I’m 6’6” and can handle a glock 26 comfortably. Plenty of people carry the Glock 19 in a professional capacity.

It’s the zone below “subcompact” size — pocket / ultra-thin / micro / 380 — that it gets iffy.

Edit: And size is not really all about concealability. Many just find smaller tools to be more handy in general. I’ve covered quite a few miles with just a glock 26 and its 10 rounds, because the weight and space got budgeted towards other things.

:+1: +1

If you aren’t interested in taking classes or training with your gun regularly, perhaps getting a few cans of bear spray might be a better option for home defense.

As I have already pointed out, I am excellent with guns even though I don't use them very often, and I will be carrying my gun with me wherever I can legally.

When it comes to using guns, I am literally a natural.

Also, you don't take a can of bear spray (or pepper spray or a knife) to a gun fight.

That sar is a cz75 clone, and probably DA/SA. You should ask around to try DA/SA as well as striker-fired — which most polymer handguns are nowadays. You might hate one system or the other. I have a cz75, and absolutely prefer DA/SA. Most people prefer striker. I backpack with a striker.

But at the end of the day, most pistols within a reasonable price range are going to be basically equivalent. Equal accuracy. Equal reliability. Ergonomics are cool. It’s probably not a popular idea on a forum dedicated to coveting the hottest new or most powerful flashlights, but we are all consumerism-infected zealots that make a bigger deal out of incremental minor differences than we should. If I was thrown into a stressful situation with a pistol, there are a thousand of them spanning all price ranges which would work identically well or badly for me.

Thank you!

I agree completely.

I want a pretty nice gun, but I don't have to have a Glock or something that expensive.

I know that Glocks are superb, but I'm looking to save a little money.

I plan to do a lot of research, but I might have a better idea of what I like tomorrow.

Agreed. Just beware, it’s way easier to find cheap decent carry holsters and magazines for glocks, both of which are mandatory items regardless of which direction you go.

Am I the only one who finds this a little questionable? Wanting not only to possess a gun, but also carry one, without proper training by a professional instructor and regular practice. In the past you’ve also mentioned health and medical influences that have an effect on your mental state and decision making. “I am literally a natural” is the first step into very ugly accidents/incidents.

IMHO the permission to carry a gun should require psychological and tactical training. Pointing a gun at someone won’t de-escalate or solve the situation. And handling a gun without training because you’re a “natural” is pretty naive.

No certainly not the only one. Very questionable.

I totally agree most things that cost more are better quality. The cheapo Hi-Point does get good reviews even though its about the cheapest. There was one review I saw where they fired it over and over, and not one single jam.

Wanna own a dog? Talk to people who own dogs, in their environment. Do some research. Go to pet stores, breeders, and/or dog pounds. Realise there is more to owning a dog than flipping on your computer. Do a (supervised) walk with a dog. And when you ultimate own your first dog: GO TO TRAINING. Don’t think: I’m used to dogs, my (grand)parents had a dog. Living in a no-no-gun country, I assume most of this also is applicable to guns. As it is to shoes and cars.
Don’t combine your experience of decades ago, when you were a complete different and younger person, with today’s computer skills. Remember you shot your sister in the eye wit a BB gun. Literally every person thinks he/she belongs in every aspect to the smarter half of society, and therefore only does smart things.

Still wanna to execute your plan: do more research, do some touch and feel, and go to a range.

I’ve read somewhere your family owns a Mosberg. I hope your sudden interest in carrying a handgun is not triggered by the recent crash of your relatives.

Is “open carry” legal in California?? Because IF a pistol you are cartying is visible, it is NO LONGER considered Concealed Carry

I can’t believe half the shit I’m reading here. :person_facepalming: :person_facepalming: :person_facepalming:

Definitely not the only one. Carrying a gun for Self Defense is a great thing if you ever need it. BUT only IF you are proficient & know what you are doing.

BUT, it IS NOT a video game. There is no reset, it is real life with real consequences. Permanent consequences.

To be honest, reading some of this is very concerning as well as questionable.

+1 on a Shotgun for home self defense.