Closed Official Haikelite MT09R *UPDATE Now including TA's Pricing for Emitter Upgrades*  Closed

pooptoast · 2018-03-04T03:03:50.000Z

Good news is, my cells appear to have survived. I did a battery test on them with my opus bt-c3100 and they all still dishcharged over 3000mah.

So all is well. I’ll just be careful from here on.

NOT_Haikelite_USA_Of · 2018-03-04T04:09:44.000Z

mortuus:

pooptoast:

Except that it is advertised as having thermal regulation. Mine hit 199.7 degrees in testing, that’s clearly unregulated.

i agree on that tho, perhaps @Terry can get a clarification on whats up ?

At 55 degrees C it will step down from Turbo... If you double click and put it back in turbo it wil go back into it every time you do it.

I have tested it many many times for temp measurments and the highest I for was between 147 and 150 degrees F.

I am trying to understand why anyone would push a light just to see how hot it may get... There is a clear warning on the instruction manuel.

As far as the thremal programming you really would have to ask Dale.

LOL I am old school, once a light starts to get hot enough that I notice it it does not need to turn itself down, I turn it down.

nicois · 2018-03-04T04:12:55.000Z

TSO:

The lack of thermal protection is just a typical breakdown in manufacturing communication,

I don’t think this should be underplayed. Given the range of other flaws, the fact something like this can be ‘forgotten’ makes me wonder just how safe these lights are, either for experts of those less experienced. What other electrical nonconformities are yet to manifest?

So far, from the GB batch, we have:

- underpowered lights (mainly the 35s)

- lights which don’t turn on at all

- lights which turn on a flash a few times and turn off

- lights which require the thread to be loosened to make a proper connection

- lights which don’t turn off (illuminating the button even when otherwise off)

- no indication of any thermal regulation

moving goalposts about expectations of GB quality

Every indication was given that the quality of these units would be solid, and a rigorous QA process would be applied on every unit before dispatch. Unless somehow this all happened during shipping, I’m not sure what QA protocol could have been followed for this to happen.

For me, if I’m paying $100+ for a light, I expect it to work as advertised. I should not have to worry about me or my family burning their hands or shorting 4 18650s.

NOT_Haikelite_USA_Of · 2018-03-04T04:13:40.000Z

Here are a couple of beam shots from the 35 high I did a couple of days ago and I am just now getting caught up enough to post them...

The first 3 minutes or so are more me talkng so move up to around 3 minutes or so and you will see some beam shots.

Now it is late Saturday night. I am going to clock out.

arficus · 2018-03-04T07:23:07.000Z

Haikelite USA Official:

Here are a couple of beam shots from the 35 high I did a couple of days ago….

432yds, and a declaration that the XHP35 is a total success? How about the 1km claimed? Seriously, 432yds? My $30 UT02 will do that.

casi29061965 · 2018-03-04T11:18:06.000Z

Friday night we tested my MT09R XHP35 Hi from this GB and a Haikelite MT07s. The MT07s has a bit higher range, but the beam of the MT09R is much wider.
My luxmeter shows 220.000 candela for MT07s and 196.500 candela (MT09R:6meter, Sony VTC6) for my MT09R (NW, but it looks like CW).
Our second luxmeter shows 27% more candela ! But my luxmeter compared with many other luxmeter and shows the same candela for many other flashlights like other TLF users had detected.
For example:
Astrolux MF02NW: 422.640 cd (6 meter, Samsung –30Q)
Acebeam K60: 144.000 cd (6 meter, Imalent MRB186-P30)
Imalent DT35: 121.320 cd (6 meter, Imalent MRB186-P30)
Jetbeam T6: 129.600 cd (6 meter, Imalent MRB186-P30)
Klarus G35: 195.000 cd (6 meter, Imalent MRB186-P30, is very sensitive with different batteries!!)
Utorch UT02 NW and CW: 86.000 cd (1 meter, with different batteries)

Greets
Carsten

smokuxx1987 · 2018-03-04T13:15:41.000Z

Terry Could You tell me what color temperature has WW, NW, CW?
It would by good to add it to the first post.

mortuus · 2018-03-04T14:17:41.000Z

Is it even possible for triple XHP35 emitters CW to even reach 1000m range in this kind of light ?

arficus · 2018-03-04T21:06:03.000Z

Been waiting over two days for refund since Dale offered…

Man_Without_Shadow · 2018-03-04T23:50:49.000Z

After about how many seconds/minutes on turbo should it (70.2) step down?

Newlumen · 2018-03-05T02:50:50.000Z

You guys are wrong or maybe not doing it righ. Let me present you my observation.
Haikelite mt09r xhp70.2 CW. Use infrared temp to get the reading next to the switch.
All are in fahrenheit… yes. This light have an automatic step down.

I turn on light to high mode.
Initial temp. 63 fahrenheit
1 min. 80
2 min, 93.5
3 min. 104
4 min. 110.5
5 min. 111
6 min. 111
7 min. 112.5
8 min. 113.5
9 min. 115.5
10 min. 115.5

I could feel step down after 3 min., slow shift. My eyes wouldnt notice. This light is not hot… handle was 93. After 10 minutes, i double click. Then it go back go bright high mode.

Conclusion. My light have authmatic thermal step down.

saypat · 2018-03-05T03:34:09.000Z

I don’t quite understand. If there was a step-down after 3 minute as you say, why isn’t that recorded in your minutes/temp? Am I missing something? Thanks.

SKV89 · 2018-03-05T03:37:17.000Z

Newlumen, I think you are right. I think I just don’t notice the stepdown because the eye is not reliable for lumen measurements. Also mine gets pretty darn hot under extended use on max brightness but not dangerously hot like some people report here. I guess it may have some form of thermal protection. If that’s the case, then that makes this light even more impressive considering how much better it can maintain useable high output compared to other lights with thermal regulation.

Newlumen:

You guys are wrong or maybe not doing it righ. Let me present you my observation.
Haikelite mt09r xhp70.2 CW. Use infrared temp to get the reading next to the switch.
All are in fahrenheit… yes. This light have an automatic step down.

I turn on light to high mode.
Initial temp. 63 fahrenheit
1 min. 80
2 min, 93.5
3 min. 104
4 min. 110.5
5 min. 111
6 min. 111
7 min. 112.5
8 min. 113.5
9 min. 115.5
10 min. 115.5

I could feel step down after 3 min., slow shift. My eyes wouldnt notice. This light is not hot… handle was 93. After 10 minutes, i double click. Then it go back go bright high mode.

Conclusion. My light have authmatic thermal step down.

Newlumen · 2018-03-05T04:16:06.000Z

I said i feel like the light step down after 3 minutes. My eyes couldnt tell. It was slowly step down… i didnt see any flicks while the light step down…

I will do 10 minutes high test again on monday night using fully charged 18650, and i will also record lux number as well…

I know my light have thermal protection, because temp are 115.5 fahrenheit…

jmm244 · 2018-03-05T05:11:41.000Z

The MT09RT has a tripod socket.

I have used some of my other similarly equipped lights as a photography source for up to an hour. I don't run them in turbo mode as I don't want them changing or doing radical step downs while I'm shooting, so I usually select the level below maximum/turbo. I've never bothered to measure how hot they got as I was always comfortable grabbing them when it was time to switch them off.

Not so with my XHP35 MT09R. I set it on the the 4th step in Group 5 (the one below Maximum/Turbo) when doing a battery test. and it hit 151° F (66.1° C) after 20 minutes (measured with an accurate Fluke IR thermometer with emissivity set properly). That's certainly above the stated 55° C thermal regulation spec, and in the realm of burned skin and decreased Li-ion battery longevity.

I haven't run/tested mine on Turbo for any extended period of time because that's generally not the way I use my lights.

Does thermal regulation possibly only work on the maximum (Turbo) setting? Or only on (some) XHP70.2 MT09Rs?

rizky_p · 2018-03-05T05:38:10.000Z

Finally got my MT09R NW. The head does get warm fast. i cant wait to for night test.

here are my ceiling bounce measurement.

MT03 = 590 Lux (Gen 2 i think running XHP 70)
MF01 running NarsilM = 880 Lux
MT09R = 1060 Lux
Convoy L6 NarsilM 280Lux.

Newlumen · 2018-03-05T05:47:34.000Z

So here is my conclusion. Both version of mt09r will step down after 2 minutes from the high, and maintain at the medium mode for long period of time.,

Glov · 2018-03-05T06:18:17.000Z

Glov:

I just got my 70.2 NW version and my light if the tail cap screwed too tight won’t turn on just blink once. What is more if the light is off and the batteries are inside the light, the leds are still a little lit.
https://imgur.com/a/aWru8
In this picture the flash light is completely off

Edit: This happens either on VTC6 button top or 30Q button top

It’s been 3 days since I emailed Dale and still no answer

SKV89 · 2018-03-05T06:30:47.000Z

rizky_p:

* Finally got my MT09R NW. The head does get warm fast. i cant wait to for night test.

here are my ceiling bounce measurement.

MT03 = 590 Lux (Gen 2 i think running XHP 70)
MF01 running NarsilM = 880 Lux
MT09R = 1060 Lux
Convoy L6 NarsilM 280Lux.

I have an MF01 being shipped to Lexel to swap out the driver for the NarsilM. How do you like it? How does it compare with the MT09R? I read the lumens on the 219C version is 12k+ or more.

mortuus · 2018-03-05T08:52:11.000Z

rizky_p:

* Finally got my MT09R NW. The head does get warm fast. i cant wait to for night test.

here are my ceiling bounce measurement.

MT03 = 590 Lux (Gen 2 i think running XHP 70)
MF01 running NarsilM = 880 Lux
MT09R = 1060 Lux
Convoy L6 NarsilM 280Lux.

nice but what does lux translate to lumens ? i hope u do a video review of the light i look forward to that.