Dud Batteries?

I have a growing collection of LED flashlights and 18650 batteries.

My battery collection includes some of these:

Panasonic 18650B 3400mah
https://www.fasttech.com/p/1345500

Samsung 25R 2500mah
https://www.fasttech.com/products/2706600

And the Nitwcore batteries that came bundled with my Nitecore i4 Charger

In my HC30 headlamp, the Samsung’s seem to work initially, but in 10 minutes or less of continuous operation at full brightness the light output drops to about 1/4 of full without me doing anything.
If I turn the headlamp off and leave it off for a few minutes, then turn it back on, the process repeats.

At first I thought the HC30 was faulty, but when I use the Nitecore or Panasonic batteries in it, I don’t suffer the same problems. As a result I can only conclude that the Samsung batteries I got from Fasttech are either fake and/or crap.

Any thoughts?

Can you measure the voltage of the 25R’s after the ‘stepdown’?

Not sure if the HC30 has thermal stepdown - the 25R’s may be running the light hotter than the other cells.

edit;

Yep, the HC30 has “Advanced Temperature Regulation”.

Hi FMC

i don’t know how to measure the voltage of the batteries and I don’t think I have the gear to do so.

If it’s not expensive (say $40 USD or less) I would be prepared to invest in something to analyse/test my batteries so I know which are good and bad.

Just use a Multimeter mate? so you can check the voltage after 10 minutes?

But the HC30 does step down automatically! No light will give 100% all the time the ANSI test does not require the light to! so for greater battery life and thermal protection the torch will step down.
How many MAH are the batteries?

They are 2500mah (the ones that show obvious dramatic stepdown).

The 3400mah Panasonics probably step down, but nowhere near as dramatically. Same applies to the 2600mah Nitecore batteries. It’s just the Samsung’s that show massive drop down quite quickly.

Fasttech is by far one of the safest places to purchase Li-ION imo. 8-|

Do you have a Multimeter to check the voltage? you shouldn’t really be charging lithium’s with out a Multimeter.

i also suspect the 25r push the led harder and trigger thermal protection.batts are ok.

There’s a couple of ‘analyzing’ chargers around that price eg; Opus BT-C3100, that have a voltage readout, & will give you a good idea of a cell’s capacity, & internal resistance.

Alternatively, something like the UNI-T ut210e multi meter will test the voltage more accurately, & allow you to take current draw readings, to gauge the performance of a cell (as a part of the circuit) in use.

The Samsung 25R batteries are pushing the juice harder than your other cells (as expected).

This is causing your light to go into thermal regulation faster. It’s not bad batteries at all. If you had a way to measure brightness (not by eye sight), you would likely see the light is brighter with the 25R’s. Unless the drivers is just wasting the extra current/voltage……

Take a picture of the 25R, side view of the positive terminal if possible.

@Greatwhitehunter,
You are "lucky" if they are even working in the Nitecore HC30 as the Samsung INR18650-25R batteries are Flat Top.

Virtually all Nitecore lights have mechanical reverse polarity protection, so they require Button Top batteries.

I have found that rarely Flat Top batteries have worked in some of my Nitecore lights, but they stop working a short time later. And in later attempts, they don't work any longer.

I think you may have a Nitecore HC30 that will borderline work with Flat Tops, but as others mentioned it is driving it harder so that you are getting thermal stepdown.

Best Regards,

George