Food poisoning, anyone?

Lightbringer · 2023-10-21T05:54:33.623Z

CAFOs, yeh.

That’s why people like Joel Salatin are so hardcore about smaller and truly sustainable farming and liverstock. As in literal free-range, not just 3sqft vs 1sqft per chicken, etc.

I’ve had real milk before, and in coffee it’s a bit odd, as it forms a “skin” on top just like pudding, as the fat rises to the top. Tasty, though.

m03da · 2023-10-21T06:55:29.060Z

Nah, just coming from a part of the world where we give actual second chances to people who’ve served their sentences and not force them out to the margins for life.

xevious · 2023-10-21T07:26:53.796Z

Smaller sustainable farming is the way to go. Big time agro business is awful. The very fact that food has to travel so far makes it an utter waste. The enormous centralized agro premise came about treating transportation costs as “negligible” in the grand scheme. But they were so horribly ignorant of the long term impact and the dangers it would present.

I saw a program on Brooklyn Agriculture and it’s phenomenal what people are able to conceive of for low overhead farming. Not just phenomenal use of space, but extremely efficient use of water. Old style massive field farming is OK for some regions, but it shouldn’t be the dominant form of farming. On top of all that, local produce just tastes better. It’s not having to be harvested prematurely and can soak up nutrients all the way up to a few days before hitting the market.

zoulas · 2023-10-21T08:30:32.015Z

But how does the tase of a tomato compare to a real farm grown tomato where real sunlight was used. Cant be the same, there is always a downside.

jeff51 · 2023-10-21T15:53:54.022Z

Eating a fresh vine/whatever ripened product is so much better than getting something picked green. Then processed and shipped to the market.
There are some local fruit stands that are simply great.

I went to college in Illinois. Corn fresh off the stalk. Quick boil - salt, pepper, and lots of butter. (Homer Simpson UMMMM noise).
But some places the soil/climate just won’t support some products.

I was having this discussion with a buddy from the UK. Now a honorary Texan.
He’s all for local / small producers.

But I posed this.
Store: These are really superior eggs. We think our customers will happily pay a bit more for this quality.
Farmer: I’m so happy we can do business. Are you ready to place an order?
Store: Yes. We’d like 10,000 eggs.
Farmer: Ugh, OK. I can do that I think.
Store: And we will need 10,000 a day. Forever.
Farmer: …

That’s the problem with the quantities needed in the modern world.
So many places it’s just not possible to source from small suppliers.
All the Best,
Jeff

Lightbringer · 2023-10-21T16:04:44.486Z

When I was a kid and went overseas to visit family, there was one day I went with some cousins on a walk, and we came across some wild strawberries just growing at random.

Little things about the size/shape of candy-corn, but each one was an explosion of flavor. Even back then I was used to store-bought strawberries that would be half-white near the stump, a vague strawberryish flavor, so when I had one of those I remember being completely blown away by the actual [gasp!] flavor.

KnotSoMuch · 2023-10-21T16:46:35.230Z

jeff51:

But I posed this.
Store: These are really superior eggs. We think our customers will happily pay a bit more for this quality.
Farmer: I’m so happy we can do business. Are you ready to place an order?
Store: Yes. We’d like 10,000 eggs.
Farmer: Ugh, OK. I can do that I think.
Store: And we will need 10,000 a day. Forever.
Farmer: …

That’s the problem with the quantities needed in the modern world.
So many places it’s just not possible to source from small suppliers.

If after considering the scenario you posed to your buddy, he responded with the following?

"What would you do if you became ill from what you assumed was food poisoning after eating the eggs you purchased from this store?

xevious · 2023-10-21T20:48:40.346Z

Light is light. It’s not like there’s some special nutritious quality about photons coming from the sun versus indoor lighting. And they’ve done a lot of research on light temperature to find what helps photosynthesis the most. LEDs available in a wide range of temps have made it possible, as you know.

Mandrake50 · 2023-10-21T21:06:06.878Z

Any ideas why most of the “artificially” grown produce tastes like carboard. Tomatoes in particular. White flesh, never ripen before they rot, I call them cardmatoes.
OTH, home grown tomatoes are delicious. So what is the reason? If they control everything perfectly… why is the result crap?
Anyway… drifting way away from food poisoning.

xevious · 2023-10-21T21:43:37.107Z

OK, regarding tomatoes, there is a “hot house” grown method. They’re on massive trellises inside a warehouse sized greenhouse. But they’re not all created equal. How you fertilize them means a world of difference.

Greenhouse tomatoes can suffer from several problems, including temperature extremes, excessive humidity, and lack of pollination .

I’ve had good hot-house grown tomatoes, but most of the time in large supermarkets they’re lousy. And usually the problem goes back again to mass production in a central location, then the tomatoes are shipped out. And in order to survive shipping, they’re picked before ripened, so the skin is tough to resist bruising and abrasions during transit.

There is one variety that has managed to solve the problem somewhat. The Kumato variety. They’re a ruddy brown in appearance. People who expect bright red tomatoes tend to frown upon the brown. But, they’re very tasty. And they slow ripen. I buy a 6-tomato tray from Trader Joe’s and they’ll keep for 2~3 weeks without refrigeration, before mold starts to set in.

Mandrake50 · 2023-10-21T22:16:46.058Z

Gary:

The Kumato variety.

I will have to try those. I have tried many. While some can be semi-OK in sauces, none are much good for salads or sandwiches.

xevious · 2023-10-22T05:02:31.593Z

Most of them are sourced from either Canada or Mexico, but I believe some are being grown in California.

I grew a similar variety in my own backyard. The Black Krim. So delicious. Nothing quite having your own heirloom tomatoes freshly grown. But there are a lot of nuances involved to get a good crop.

sb56637 · 2023-10-22T17:38:30.924Z

Gary:

The Black Krim. So delicious. Nothing quite having your own heirloom tomatoes freshly grown. But there are a lot of nuances involved to get a good crop.

Oh, nice, I’ve only seen those in pictures but they look fantastic.

andygold1 · 2023-10-22T17:53:05.689Z

Not answering your question, but I’d contact the local health department if I got food poisoning from their food. It could be contaminated produce coming in, and also going to other restaurants as well. Health department could jump in and figure it out real quick and keep others in different areas from becoming ill.

It could be Listeria. Past listeriosis outbreaks in the U.S. have been linked to raw, unpasteurized milks and cheeses, ice cream, raw or processed vegetables, raw or processed fruits, raw or undercooked poultry, sausages, hot dogs, deli meats, and raw or smoked fish and other seafood. Listeria can kill people!!!

Also, a relatively quick remedy for many types of food poisoning is colloidal silver. You don’t need much. The silver is quite anti bacterial, anti microbial, etc. Kills the germs in your gut!
As an example regarding silver’s properties, burn creams typically contain silver. Eye drops that are put in newborn’s eyes contain silver. Settlers crossing America used to throw a silver dollar in their milk containers, as the silver kept the milk from spoiling longer. Some anti-odor socks use silver in the weave to kill odor producing germs…

raccoon · 2023-12-16T01:32:49.400Z

UPDATE:
Okay, I posted some things that were wrong, so it’s time to set the record straight.
My sister got food poisoning from eating rice that was sitting out too long, so someone in my family has gotten food poisoning from home cooking.
In fact, my sister was sick with that food poisoning about a week before my mom and I got sick.
So, we could have gotten norovirus from my sister, even though we did not interact with her very much when she was sick.
Which means, if I got food poisoning, it most likely was from John’s Restaurant, but I could have gotten norovirus from my sister instead.

My mom and I ate at John’s last Friday, and today.
We did not get sick last time, and I hope we don’t get sick today.
Someone posted that people that get food poisoning often think that they got it at the last place that they ate, and that might have been what I did as well.
I don’t like it when I’m wrong, but I try to admit it when I even might be wrong.
My family and I love to eat at John’s, so I wrote them a little advertisement:
John’s Restaurant–the food is so good that you’ll even come back if you think you got food poisoning from us!

bushmaster · 2023-12-16T01:44:44.983Z

Good job, raccoon. Not everybody would come clean on a misstatement like you did. Well done.

raccoon · 2023-12-16T01:49:54.118Z

Thanks!
I feel better now that I’ve been completely truthful.
I don’t know for sure that I got norovirus from my sister, but that’s what I think happened (now.)

Lightbringer · 2023-12-16T02:01:30.542Z

raccoon:

John’s Restaurant–the food is so good that you’ll even come back if you think you got food poisoning from us!

I think that was Beefsteak Charlie’s ad campaign… right before they went out of business.

raccoon · 2023-12-16T02:11:31.532Z

I noticed an “F” on the glass door of John’s Restaurant.
I told my mom that the place has an “F” rating, but I was kidding around.
The “F” was for Facebook.
The restaurant has an “A” rating, though as pointed out in this thread, that doesn’t mean the place is necessarily safe.

m03da · 2023-12-16T02:30:29.677Z

respect!