Gas Prices Going Up

I don’t know about electric cars, I think they are way too expensive and I don’t know a cheap way of charging them either.

Maybe it’s a way to curb our Flasholism and other addictions. :weary:

I bet you those oil barons are saying: “Y’all , I saah thaahse BLF guys are spendahn’ way too much monaahy on Flashlaahghts, …let’s get some!!.

Local price for 91 is $1.56 AUD per ltr. Figure that out at $1 AUD = 67c US.
Diesel coupla cents cheaper.
UK you lucky. you could travel from Lands End To J.O.G. on 2/3rds of my Patrol Tankage (1160km range).
It takes me 4 + 1100km days and near 5 tanks . to get from Melbourne to Darwin.

You don’t NEED very much you can’t go too far.
I did Bristol Airport to Hadrians Wall comfortably in less than a day
up the West coast on last visit there. and down the other side.

On the Motorways I was involved in building, cause you had none.
(and paid for my first house)
Back in Early ’60’s…

I pay about 13p per kWh at home. That works out to 4 pence per mile to run my EV.

My little Vauxhall with a 1.3L (80 cu in) diesel cost about 12p per mile for fuel. Our 2012 BMW Z4 (2L petrol) was about 20p per mile on high octane petrol. An F-150 would cost about 30p per mile here.

Converting back to dollars:

Home to Liverpool in my i3: $10
Home to Liverpool in an F-150: $80 + about $3 extra in toll charges.

Been in a Prius since 2013, it's nice. I don't notice the gas prices.

An old colleague of me used to say: gas prices rising? Really don’t know, I always pay €50.

I live in San Francisco and gas prices are almost $4/gallon. I envy the other parts of the US :frowning:

Electric cars day will come, but not until they have batteries that last a couple of hundred thousand miles.

I think I already posted the resale value of electric cars. Around here, a smart car loses 2/3 to a 3/4 of it’s value in three years. So unless you charge them for free, the resale value will absolutely murder any “savings” in electricity. That is if you have ANY saving from there.

Electricity up here is 28 cent a KW. That is the all in price, just like a gallon of gas is all in as far as purchasing. That makes electric cars almost as expensive to run as gas FOR THE SAME SIZE VEHICLE. Then you get walloped on the resale.

That be said, I am buying a Smart car, not because I need a 4th car, but because it’s a nice suburban putter and the purchase price makes it a throw-away car. Unlike my other cars, I wont park it so far away that I need a taxi to get to the the front of a mall door……lol

As for the price of gas, I care but not as much as I care for my overall insurance hit. Insurance is 3 times my yearly cost of gas.

Price of gasoline in my area had been rising for a few weeks but just this week started falling again. Price I noticed on my way to work was $2.479/gallon and that isn’t the cheapest gas station around. It’s just one I happen to pass on my way to work.

I payed $4/gallon for 91 a few days ago.

As one of the many on this forum, we live on the edge of civilization. We travel a lot and Electric cars are just not viable year round. To those living in the cities and can take public transportation, cool. I just think that I am happy where I am, gas prices go up and down. It is just a thing. I am glad my country gets less than 5% of its oil from the middle east. I love the time it gets dark for 20 hours a day or when it stays bright and sunny for the same. It is the price I am ok paying to live where I do.

Fresh air, few people, and off of anti social media. Life is getting better every day. :slight_smile:

Yeah. I don’t like to waste energy thinking about things that are outside of my control. Maybe if gas cost like $30 a gallon or something I’d drive less but at this point the fluctuation doesn’t really impact me.

Well, IMO, hybrids are the way to go, unlike me who wants to come in to cars fully electric.

@Spartan, well, electric cars are still much cheaper per mile, since electric cars are much more efficient than gasoline cars. Even at 0,28$CA/kWh, that is still 3,25x cheaper compared to gasoline when you take into account efficiency.
Also, most vehicles that are cooled well, designed well and not super fast charged too quickly, like the Teslas and Chevy Bolts, have very small battery degradation.
They have no problem getting 200 000km with 92% capacity remaining.

@strayz, that’s personally the reason I hate gas prices. They are so volatile.
As I’ve mentioned before, this is why hybrids are your best bet.

@ScallyWag, excellent job! :slight_smile:

Anyway, the reason I’m trying to be environmentally friendly as possible is that I want for myself, and my future kids, to have a bright, clean, nature filled and lively world.

I try to do anything in my power to do so, which includes going to conferences to voice out my knowledge, take part in regional offices, etc.


At 5km per kw*, where exactly is this “account for efficiency”?

I drive a diesel and get 18-20km per liter. At $1.20 a liter, that’s about the exact same price as your electric.

That is for a full size E-Benz. A REAL car, not some piece of garbage. Full hard-on luxury with absolutely no compromising or worries. And good for a million kilometers,…that’s multiples of electric car lifetimes.

No problem for 200k? Nope. There is no such thing as 200,000 km at 92%.

REAL numbers from manufacturers.

REAL kw/mileage for electric cars under favorable conditions. Let me know how this does in Canadian winters….lol


Out here on the left coast I paid $4.39 last night :cry: it’s cutting into my flashlight budget :rage:

Taxes….taxes….and more taxes.

The wet dream of enviros is to make driving a sin. Ergo, sin-tax. Then unlimited taxation is “justifiable”……and achieves THEIR goals.


@Spartan, even at 0,28$/Kwh, that’s still 0,36$CA cheaper on average.

And these are only warranty bases. There have been a lot of cases where Tesla Model Ss have gone above and beyond the warranty with well over 70% capacity.

There are plenty of videos online of Tesla Model Ss still having 90-96% capacity left.

I know what you mean though.

We have to embrace change however.

For our future, and the future of other generations.

Why do you think we went from incandescent lights to LED lights?

While they still excel in terms of CRI at 2700-3100k, they aren’t widely used anymore and have been superseded by LEDs.

Also, don’t cheat with diesel.
While diesel vehicles are more economical than gasoline cars, diesel is much worse in terms of pollution. Much worse.

The best bet for now would be hybrids with large battery packs(10+kWh) and propane powered cars.
That last one would be intersting, as its efficiency is higher than a gas powered car, uses a cheaper fuel, is easier to transport over long distances(pipelines/boats), and is more environmentally friendly compared to gasoline.

And taxes aren’t bad… if companies were actually paying their fair share taxes to get rid of the debt and can provide great services all around.

I’m all for taxing the heck out of driving if it means there’ll be less people on the road. Less traffic for those of us who are willing to pay.

Anyway, the gas tax in CA only accounts for half of the premium we pay out here (it’s less than 50c a gallon). Not sure why it’s so much more expensive.

Oh no… :person_facepalming:

Not sure why this is what people think. There is plenty of real world data from real owners that support the fact that the vast majority of Tesla vehicles lose <10% of range over 100,000 miles.

Please check: