Group Buy-BLF X6-SE OP update-GB over.

DB_Custom · 2014-11-17T18:06:09.000Z

The copper star is marked “Thorfire” and is indeed Direct Thermal Path.

nisse · 2014-11-17T18:35:44.000Z

Dale do the final sample light and production light share the same driver?

djozz · 2014-11-17T18:36:05.000Z

A high current driver with a very good low, as I understand, is quite a task to design and the components are not the cheapest around. Not something expected in a 20 dollar light, even not in a great designed light like this. We were hoping for it, but at EE they just did not manage to make it. Led4power made a great driver, he will know about the feasability. I think it is no coindidence that you rarely find one, even in high end lights.

Aznsw1mr · 2014-11-17T18:45:45.000Z

Group Buy-BLF X6-SE … delivered…

Thanks to all involved.

argolite · 2014-11-17T19:03:40.000Z

nisse:

Dale do the final sample light and production light share the same driver?

See post #3318 for your answer:

DBCstm:

I just compared the driver out of one of the lights I got yesterday with the one from the last sample. Identical. Right down to how the thermal paste is applied inside the toroid. Same wires, same components all around. I even took a macro image to double check some numbers on those tiny components and the only part I couldn’t see by eye the camera shows to be exactly the same.

Rolz · 2014-11-17T19:05:51.000Z

When I came across this deal I knew that there was a risk the supplier would alter the final product to save cost which has happened. The end result is still a great outcome and no criticism should be directed to Krono as he went to great efforts to organise it all. My torch hasn’t yet arrived but I expect to be satisfied as the price paid was excellent value. Thanks Krono and others for making it happen.

argolite · 2014-11-17T19:09:57.000Z

Rolz:

When I came across this deal I knew that there was a risk the supplier would alter the final product to save cost which has happened.

I think you’ve misunderstood something. What exactly was altered?

Calmaja · 2014-11-17T19:21:21.000Z

B42:

Pretty much so, yes. We had a driver with better output, almost 3.5A, but the moon mode was not “low enough”. So another driver was asked for, and when it came it had a much lower moon mode, but the turbo was also much lower. This was declared “good enough” by some vocal people, and others just didn’t want to wait for yet another driver.

I did some searching, this is what happened, not only based on assumption that moon mode was not “low enough” or turbo not “high enough”:

3V - 8.V
Many members want it and BG/manufacture can sell extension, looks like win-win. Hooraayyy………

Then… DBCstm’s comment , Johnnymac’s comment.

Turn out the new driver is failed, at the end still 3V - 4.2V.

nisse · 2014-11-17T19:24:44.000Z

Thx argolite for the hint checking post #3318 lo and behold the driver in final sample light and production light is the same so we can forget the easy way out blaming the Chinese for tampering

bladesmith3 · 2014-11-17T19:26:03.000Z

I still think this is a killer deal. what can you buy for $20 that is better light? I can’t think of anything. Thanks Krono and others for making it happen.

Rolz · 2014-11-17T19:34:09.000Z

The driver is not performing exactly as per spec. The sample also seemed to have better performance than the ones sold to all of us.

argolite · 2014-11-17T19:42:21.000Z

Rolz:

The driver is not performing exactly as per spec. The sample also seemed to have better performance than the ones sold to all of us.

Bearing in mind the concepts of sample variation and measurement error, it isn’t realistic for every tester to get exactly the same result. Every report using a lightbox so far finds the brightness of the light to be on spec within standard error. This is the bottom line for me. With no physical difference in construction being identified so far, it’s unfair to say Eagle Eye altered anything from the approved sample. I am going camping tonight, but I have no plans to wow my friends by talking out a light and showing them a tailcap reading. Lumens is lumens.

adnj · 2014-11-17T19:47:35.000Z

argolite:

Rolz:

The driver is not performing exactly as per spec. The sample also seemed to have better performance than the ones sold to all of us.

Bearing in mind the concepts of sample variation and measurement error, it isn’t realistic for every tester to get exactly the same result. Every report using a lightbox so far finds the brightness of the light to be on spec within standard error. This is the bottom line for me. With no physical difference in construction being identified so far, it’s unfair to say Eagle Eye altered anything from the approved sample. I am going camping tonight, but I have no plans to wow my friends by talking out a light and showing them a tailcap reading. Lumens is lumens.

What he said.

locusto03 · 2014-11-17T19:51:32.000Z

Thanks to Krono, Dale, JM, and unknown for organizing and dealing with the bs. Sorry that the trolls are out in full force. Hope you realize that your time and effort are greatly appreciated.

Bort · 2014-11-17T20:02:08.000Z

DanielM:

So true, though the meeting was probably 4 voices all in one person’s head

Halo…:

Bort:

they still sent sub par samples with fake AR glass, they could have charged a bit extra for all the requests and met the requirements, i considered it safe to assume this light would have fake AR glass and need a driver swap when the buy was finalized.

Having trouble finding where a sample was reported as having fake AR. Would you know the post #?

I can’t seem to find it after a quick search, it was one of the samples that was producing less lumens on the AR glass then regular glass. I think it may have been a separate thread, not the JM thread but one of the other prototype testers.

DavidEF:

djozz:

BTW, how long will it take for manufacturers to discover that steel springs are high output killers in single cell li-ion lights?

Pfft! You mean “How long will it take manufacturers to care?” don’t you?

I’m gonna play both sides here. If the driver is the same as the one “we” approved (according to Dale it is), then the manufacturers have done nothing wrong by giving it to us. However, it’s not what we originally asked for, and we should have probably waited a little longer and got it right. Modding this light after the sale is NOT the answer, no matter how many people try to say that it is. This light was supposed to be ~3.5A from the manufacturer, and we all know it’s possible. Maybe it is a great light for the price, but for those of us who had no intention of ever modding it, it is at least somewhat of a disappointment because we had better expectations. Some of us even said right at the beginning that we’d be happy to pay a dollar or two more to get what was spec’d. However, (flipping again) all this conversation about it should have been done before the light was approved by “us” to be made. We have nobody to blame but ourselves for not hashing it out, and there is no excuse for anyone to get mad at Banggood or Eagle Eye at this point (again, assuming it is the light “we” approved, which Dale says it is).

It was approved out of frustration and having to settle for the fact the manufacturer would not meet the required specs after long term back and forth, i can’t blame Krono or other people who worked on this for that, they went to super human lengths and if that was not enough to break through chinese business ethos then thats life, not their fault.

I am glad we got most of what we want, i was hoping to not have to swap the driver but when i get a soldering iron someday i will take care of it

IRONMAN · 2014-11-17T20:03:17.000Z

locusto03:

Sorry that the trolls are out in full force. Hope you realize that your time and effort are greatly appreciated.

No Trolls out there! just Flashaholics !

Just came here to say Thanks to all of who made this GB possible!

nisse · 2014-11-17T20:15:55.000Z

If we had opted for a 3.5A driver instead of the chosen 3.3A would that have made such a big difference?

nisse · 2014-11-17T20:26:46.000Z

Newbie question: I am about to buy batteries got my eyes on these KeepPower 3,7V 18650 2600mAh Li-ion, protected, for general flashlight use but should I also buy some of these Keeppower IMR18650 2100mAh, 3,7V Li-ion Akku 30A for the GB light, unprotected actually I think seller stated not for use in flashlights?

Ray-o-light · 2014-11-18T03:46:50.000Z

Got 3 NW’s hitting the mail box today! And a CW most likely showing up later this week! Can’t wait to get my hands on one (ok, that’s a lie, been waiting since July). I like small lights, and this one appears to fit the bill since the reflector will offer some throw. I gave up two spots on the lists so other members can get one of these little gems. I have no doubt that all 1,000 units will be sucked up soon. I plan on modding a CW and a NW, leaving the other 2 stock for now. Thanks Krono once again, and all those who helped with this amazing group buy. I think we learned a lot during this adventure, and hopefully we can put that knowledge to work in the future.

DanielM · 2014-11-17T20:22:33.000Z

Of course Krono’s and all those involved efforts are all apreciated, no trolls here. That does not divert us from the fact that BG/EE did not deliver on what was promised. In the end it is a pretty damn good light for $20, high amps or not high amps. More battery life right?