Happy Independence Day America! :D

Robowski · 2018-07-05T03:08:21.000Z

Happy Independence day from Australia

teacher · 2018-07-05T04:34:56.000Z

Robowski:

Happy Independence day from Australia

Thank you!!

Great thread Dale! Thanks for posting. Hope your 4th was good!

Hope everyone’s was good…… :+1:

Boaz · 2018-07-05T05:17:23.000Z

happy 4th of july

light the fuse and ….run

ryansoh3 · 2018-07-05T07:03:13.000Z

Are those your photos Dale?

They look amazing.

toddcshoe · 2018-07-05T08:12:06.000Z

Ya know, I fly this flag on one of the two flagpoles I have on my house daily. I don’t have dedicated lights for my flags so I take them down every night and put them back up every morning. Now the flag above isn’t a confederate states flag, it’s a battle flag. I was born and raised in Missouri but spent lots of time with family on farms in rural Louisiana and Oklahoma. That flag to me means a way of life that is missing now days in this over sensitive world and something I am willing to fight for so my children will grow up knowing how to be respectful individuals. Yes ma’am, yes sir, thank you and nice to meet you are never phrases that need to be reminded to say in my house. You give respect and you get it in return. So that confederate battle flag reminds me everyday what I need to fight for to make my children good decent people who will never waver from what they are. They will never have to explain who they are nor apologize for it.

In the 30 plus years I have flown that flag I have only had a few people stop at my house to confront me about it. Two are still really good friends of mine to this day and the other three didn’t see the dead end sign at the end of the road.

Hope everyone enjoyed the 4th.

scrumpypaul · 2018-07-05T08:23:06.000Z

Happy belated Independence Day from the other side of the pond. I grew up in the original Washington, the ancestral home of George Washington. It was just last year I visited Washington Old Hall again.

My eldest daughter is lucky enough to be experiencing the American way of life, soon to enter her second year at Bryn Mawr College in Philadelphia.

Hope you had a nice day.

SP

klrman · 2018-07-05T08:32:53.000Z

Happy 4th July to all our southern Neighbors

Kindle · 2018-07-05T08:44:52.000Z

Just a friendly reminder to remember the rules (specifically #3) that everyone agreed to when they joined the forum.

Zulumoose · 2018-07-05T08:53:34.000Z

In the 30 plus years I have flown that flag I have only had a few people stop at my house to confront me about it.

Toddcshoe

I’m all for people standing up for what is important to them, and having the courage of their convictions.

The thing is though, no matter what the flag means to you, the effect of displaying it in public is that people will associate with you, whatever it means to THEM. For every one who spoke to you about it, how many just made the association that was logical to them and moved on?

Whatever your intentions, the results are quite probably the opposite of what you would like.
We have the same situation here in S.A. where flying the old flag is seen in the same light as racist hate speech, regardless of whether the person flying it was just feeling a bit nostalgic for a way of life that may, for them, have had nothing whatsoever to do with race.
Without context, the flag means what it means to whoever can see it, and if that is not the intention, then to fly it is perhaps counterproductive.
Just something to be aware of.

toddcshoe · 2018-07-05T08:59:51.000Z

Kindle:

Just a friendly reminder to remember the rules (specifically #3) that everyone agreed to when they joined the forum.

None broken, Thank you.

toddcshoe · 2018-07-05T09:13:19.000Z

Zulumoose:

In the 30 plus years I have flown that flag I have only had a few people stop at my house to confront me about it.

Toddcshoe

I’m all for people standing up for what is important to them, and having the courage of their convictions.

The thing is though, no matter what the flag means to you, the effect of displaying it in public is that people will associate with you, whatever it means to THEM. For every one who spoke to you about it, how many just made the association that was logical to them and moved on?

Whatever your intentions, the results are quite probably the opposite of what you would like.
We have the same situation here in S.A. where flying the old flag is seen in the same light as racist hate speech, regardless of whether the person flying it was just feeling a bit nostalgic for a way of life that may, for them, have had nothing whatsoever to do with race.
Without context, the flag means what it means to whoever can see it, and if that is not the intention, then to fly it is perhaps counterproductive.
Just something to be aware of.

Well I live in a place where I will not apologize for who I am. I don’t really care what people think of me. Everyone’s interpretation of that flag is their own issue, not mine.

I don’t have not a single intention when I fly that flag so the opposite of what I would like is pointless. I don’t have an intention. I fly it for my own reasons, not anyone else’s.

You are correct, the flag means what it means to whoever can see it, and since I have no intention, it can be neither counterproductive or productive. Seeing as I am not pushing an agenda on anyone.

I am a single solitary person that lives by my own values. I support what I want and stand for what I support. Now you can go on about this whole racist thing all you want, all that does is make it your problem not mine.

Good day my friend.

Zulumoose · 2018-07-05T09:31:25.000Z

I live in a place where I will not apologize for who I am

1) That wasn’t my point at all, the point is that people will make assumptions about you that DO NOT represent who you are. They will expect you to apologize for being someone else that they THINK you are.

I don’t really care what people think of me

2) All good then.

Now you can go on about this whole racist thing all you want, all that does is make it your problem not mine

Completely misreading my intentions, see 1 above. My concern was the potential for it being counterproductive, see 2.

toddcshoe · 2018-07-05T09:57:39.000Z

Zulumoose:

I live in a place where I will not apologize for who I am

1) That wasn’t my point at all, the point is that people will make assumptions about you that DO NOT represent who you are. They will expect you to apologize for being someone else that they THINK you are.

Luckily in this day and age I don’t have to apologize nor will I for what they THINK I am. Again, that is entirely THEIR problem.

This social problem plays out everyday where there are people who fly a flag or have a belief that doesn’t suit an entirely different group of people’s feelings.

There are tons of flags, religions, ways of life, values, etc……… None of those have to answer for whatever color or flag they choose or choose not to fly. They also get to deal with the other side if they do decide to fly that flag or color.

I’ve chose mine. I assume nobody else would take theirs down so don’t expect me to.

Zulumoose · 2018-07-05T10:21:28.000Z

I don’t expect you to do anything Toddcshoe, I was just making sure you got my point. It seems you are well aware of everything I was saying and have a robust approach, so I’m happy.

Personally I would also display the Confederate flag , but only on a ’68 or ’69 Charger.

DB_Custom · 2018-07-05T12:42:35.000Z

I know what y’all are saying, that it’s about personal respect. Right?

And I started this thread paying respect to my country on it’s Birthday. So by going on and on about anything BUT this Country’s Birthday, I reckon y’all are blatantly disrespecting the original intent of this thread. Y’all’s choice, of course, but it don’t sit well. Some of you are dang near 100 years off the target. Pretty clearly shows what y’all think of me and my well wishes. Whatever.

Now, I ain’t takin offense as I said what I wanted to say and y’all are free to ramble on and on about whatever is on your mind. You could even start your own thread about it as far as that goes… To think though, in some places in this world in that 100 year time frame (history) insulting someone to their face would get a glove to come off and a slap in the face with the glove would issue the challenge to a duel, someone stood a very real chance to die for that insult. (In that same time frame, in my Great State of Texas, no glove was necessary, gunplay was imminent at issuance of the insult. Why? Because a man was only as good as other’s perceived him to be. He had to have a reputation of honor and respect or he wouldn’t get work, without which he’d starve or be forced into a life of begging. Not saying it was good or right, not saying otherwise, just saying that it’s how it was.)

Amazing how far we’ve come, isn’t it?

What a great country!

Zulumoose · 2018-07-05T12:48:38.000Z

Best wishes for your country and its independence DB, no disrespect intended, to you or your country.
In this global age independence of a country is more of an idea than a reality, but the right to self-determination of the individual should always be applauded, and that is the independence that your country excels at promoting, regardless of the politics of the day.
Good luck to you all.

DB_Custom · 2018-07-05T12:51:56.000Z

Thank you Zulumoose, well said.

DB_Custom · 2018-07-05T12:55:23.000Z

And thank you Ryan, yes I took those fireworks photo’s a few years ago at a local 4th of July display.

Couldn’t find some of my favorite’s from a more recent 4th Celebration, have had computer issues and am still scrambling through it all. lol

teacher · 2018-07-05T15:37:15.000Z

DB Custom:

Thank you Zulumoose, well said.

Yes… +1

Streamer · 2018-07-05T16:06:14.000Z

Rule 9: Have Fun.