Help with Best Way to Solder FW3A Driver to SPL-120 Pill?

Hello, this is my first non-reply post here. I believe I have selected the correct post category.

I have a round aluminum pill with barely any material to ground the driver to. I am using an FW3A driver and a pill from a Novatac SPL-120.

Could I just ground the contact of the switch ring tube/spring to the bare Al of the pill? I have done that before, but with a brass pill in a D3C. this pill does not have much room, and I find soldering to Al more difficult than brass or copper.

Would it be wiser to cut some recesses down in the pill so get more surface area, similar to how the Reylight Gemini driver is set up?

I would use a Convoy driver size adapter or something similar, but I do not have any vertical room to play with unless I shave down the height of the pill. The driver/pill will be held in place by a threaded retaining ring.

I will be slightly shaving down the driver diameter to fit better. Probably, If I find a definite solution, I will be potting this light.

I may be forgetting some info as I’m currently at work, but I need to I will update with a reply post.

Thanks all!

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I’m not familiar with the Novatac lights.
Does the SPL-120 have an E-switch or a mechanical switch?
Any Anduril driver will need an E-switch.

Can you upload some pictures of how the pill and retaining ring sit in the host?
I don’t see any threads on the pill so does the entire pill get held in with a retaining ring?

I will post some more pictures in an hour or so when home.

It is an e-switch, and the spring that came in the light fits the driver nearly perfectly (although it’s thicker “walled” than the FW tube, so it takes a 16340 instead of 18350.

The whole pill just slides into the driver cavity, then there’s a retaining ring that goes over it.

the threads are the same all along the length both for the battery tube and retaining ring, unlike the FW lights. The tube is reversible and the tailcap threads are the same. I have thought about swapping an FW switch into the light, but it’s board is a bit smaller diameter.

I will add some more pictures asap

Ok, this is getting exciting now.

If you remove the red solder mask from around the outside edge you can expose the ground ring.
Then maybe the retaining ring can make the ground contact.
As long as the retaining ring and spring don’t contact both(bridge/short) the ground and the switch ring it would work.

the driver is not centered at the moment because I haven’t sanded it down yet, it’s just in between the pill and the retaining ring here.

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Here’s most of the light disassembled. I’ll post a picture of the spring shortly.

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I see what you mean by looking at the Lume1 driver. The original Novatac driver is the bottom right in this picture.

I would prefer to use the FET 7+1 driver, but it doesn’t appear to have contact there on the underside of the driver, only the top.

On the red driver, it’s already party scratched away just from tightening down the retaining ring, so I will do what you say and it seems like it should work. I did not think of that, so thanks!

another sort of issue is coming up with a decent enough spacer or stack of spacers in the head. I have seen a few triple Novatac mods here on BLF, but it looks like they’ve all been lathe turned down inside, and have had custom machined parts like the pill.

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I dry fit it, and it seems like the spring cannot touch the ground ring/retaining ring when the body tube is in place. The spring is about 0.3mm thicker walled than an FW contact tube, but still fits the driver contact well.

it is possible to replace the signal spring with a brass bar.. which will then allow the use of 18350

this thread shows a triple, that may help give you some ideas

good luck w your mod!

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@Tankolai

If you’re in the contiguous 48, I could send you some brass strips which you could fashion to use as spring replacements. Looks like good analytical work so far, I can’t wait to see what you do with this.

Are you expecting to keep the stock reflector?

Not touching is a good thing, correct? No short!

Is that how the original driver is held in?

Is the spring for the switch signal?

Yes

Kind of…the pill unit, at least for my stock spl120, is held together by some kind of glue/potting. It’s a semi-hollow cylindrical slug, with the driver on the bottom and the LED “star” affixed to the top. The entirety of the pill is essentially free floating, held in the head with the brass retaining ring.

Inside the head, there is a kind of platform that forms a separation between the pill and the reflector well.

the internal cross section looks something as follows. Please forgive the crude 20 second drawing.

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(Picture from Jon Slider)

1 = Positive
2 = What is this for?
3 = Switch Ring
4 = Ground

If you sand it down won’t it just fall into the pill?
I’m thinking you want to actually make it a little wider so it centers in the head?

#2 is likely reverse polarity protection. @jon_slider ?

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CRX has some awesome reference material for his builds.

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dont know

my guess is it could be for HDS to calibrate the 22 separate output levels (on the Tucson models with serial numbers).. notice the pin locator holes:

the later SPA models built in China dispensed with calibration of the extra modes, so they are not evenly spaced. HDS found this unacceptable, and that led to Henry dissolving his initial partnership w the Novatac company.

and btw, though HDS continues to claim the max output is 120 lumens, I have never found that to be true.. pretty much all the ones Ive tested range from about 70 to 90 lumens

Hogo claims he personally callibrated them to 120 lumens, but that he used a “special” conversion factor to account for the cool white CCT of the LEDs

in any case.. the early drivers, Tucson, produce considerably higher output when swapped to a modern LED such as 519a, some go up to about 400 lumens

the Chinese models also gain output w a new LED, but not as much, some only get to 120 to 200 lumens..

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