If Fujik is just white silicone, why not just use high temp silicone from the auto parts store?

Fujik is a thermal adhesive, not a thermal paste, or grease. One sticks, the other doesn't.

Arctic Silver is a great non adhesive paste, but lately I've gone back to Fujik for modding multi emitter lights. It's almost impossible to get the LEDs centered on these lights if you don't align them before you start, and tighten down the reflector until they are glued in place.

Some reflectors are easier to align, so I paint Fujik around the outside with a drop of AS in the center. Other big reflectors are a lot of work and shifting around the MCPCBs just makes a smeary mess.

Arctic silver and alumina both come in two part epoxy versions, but if you need to change an emitter, it's not coming off without a lot of destruction or damage to nearby emitters. Fujik adheres well, and can be removed without a lot of fuss.

I've been painting a thin coat of Fujik to the bottoms of the MCPCBs, then screwing down the reflector as tight as it can, and leave it until it cures. This leaves a super thin, even bond.

You can show me all the graphs you want, but when running LEDs at 5A+, a very thin film of Fujik on a direct thermal path copper MCPCB is not stopping that heat from transferring to the pill. It's an instantaneous transfer.

If you're using an aluminum MCPCB, I'd rather have a direct thermal path of toothpaste than the fiberglass dielectric layer that is under the LED. You can use all the high end thermal pastes you want, but as long as the heat has to pass through that dielectric layer first, it's too little too late.

Sure, I'd like a an adhesive with a higher thermal transfer specs, but not if the bond is permanent and not easily removed.

You may as well not put anything there and the heat is still instantaneous to the head at 5A, even by using a regular Al MCPCB with a dielectric layer (as long as the board is being pressured down somehow, by the reflector or screws)

has anyone mixed Fujik with copper filings?

I have.

I’ve used it for adhering copper to aluminum pills. I wouldn’t bother using it for LEDs though. It would be too thick and uneven. Better to have a super thin layer of adhesive.

What I’m saying, is that Fujik has its uses when applied properly for the correct application. I find there’s too much generalizing when discussing thermal pastes and adhesives.

Thanks Ouchyfoot!

i played with the idea to “make” a pill for cheap Lights where a copper one is not possible…
(should be better than air anyway :D)

Yes of course.

Of the top performers (TIM) that scored 34 or less, does anyone know which ones are the cheapest when bought in larger quantities (5 grams or more). Sales links would be great if you have them.

Yep, doing laptops with TIM; thin, clean and bubble free is the key. I also used a cleaner on my copper MCPCB/copper pill but may have been overkill?

Have you tested the Permatex vs Fujik or in your opinion Fujik is good enough? Always looking for cheaper alternatives that work as well.

TIA

Has to be 34 or less?
Here is a good deal at 35 http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=16319881

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Hi flashpilot. While this doesn’t quite hit your 34C temperature requirement, I’ve used Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 both at work and at home with good results. Note that it doesn’t quite top popular “premium” pastes like AS5 or MX-4, but at <$10 per 25g, the price is right, and in my opinion having a good flat thermal contact will make a much more dramatic difference.

Not sure if this is the cheapest source, but this is where I last bought a tube:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0056QHJ8E?pc_redir=1395972518&robot_redir=1

Be specific! Kraft or Miracle Whip?? :smiley:

Thats a great suggestion. Scores the same as the Arctic Cooling MX-4 that Ive been using and far less expensive. Thanks!

And it comes in a handy spray-bomb, for when a little dab just won’t do ya!

I used that spray on a 502 BBC that had a real nasty habit of blowing out header gaskets. That was almost 15 years ago, and they still last today. But then, great performance comes with a great product and what most of us expect from permatex.

Kraft mayo. Miracle Whip is merely an imitation. :wink:

This copper RTV sealant was interesting until I pulled up the MSDS…apparently, it doesn’t contain any copper -copper is just the color. It probably gets it’s color partially from iron oxide. Someone else mentioned a Permatex product that is a spray. It does contain copper (less than 2%). Most of the other ingredients in the spray-a-gasket are solvents, so the dry film could contain a high percentage of copper…this one is interesting. I think I will pick up a can and see what the cured film is like (sticky, dense, electrically conductive). If it looks good, I will do a thermal test to determine the thermal efficiency. One problem with the spray may be the mess of application. The can could be emptied into a small glass container and used as a brush on. I will play with it and report back.

On sale 30% off, $6.90/14g

http://illuminationsupply.com/thermal-compounds-c-38/arctic-alumina-ceramic-14g-tube-p-223.html#.Uz2wRIT_zsM

Really big syringe.