IFLScience : "New Lithium Battery Is Five Times Better Than Current Ones"

I think that we have another good news here :slight_smile:

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It’s just about 6 months from the last “new brakethrough in batteries” news, so nothing new really :slight_smile:

Yep:) nothing new went into production.

But who knows, now we have 2 new researches that might be the next generation of the li-ion batteries:

- “solid-state” li-ion

  • and the new “superoxide” li-ion

I hope that at least one of them goes into production in the near future.

Rather 6 weeks… :wink:

Without research we would have never got to the point where we are
Without money research is tricky
Without outlandish claims less money will flow towards research
So I say let them claim and research so we can benefit from it later :wink:

I disagree, with outlandish claims people become more cynical and give up on research. With the world economy being what it is businesses and especially governments have tightened the purse strings and basic research is the first thing to get axed.
The opposite would be smarter, research provides jobs, and real discoveries which cost lots of money lead to better products and solve problems, but hype is counter productive.

“Brakethrough”, I like that. Like coming to a screaching halt after a major breakthrough. :party:

Battery technology has made small incremental improvements for the past 200 years. The chemistry is well understood. We’re not going to make huge leaps in technology overnight. 5x improvement? Sure, maybe in the next 25 or 50 years. But not in the next few years. I’ll bet my huge stock of Eneloops on that!

For values of “is” equal to “someday maybe”

According to the datasheet for panasonic’s ncr18650b cell, the capacity does decrease as the cell ages, but it is still expected to last at least 500 charge cycles. Lithium-Iron-Phosphate is not a new technology. The energy density is lower as well as the nominal voltage. Both are already problems in flashlights.

Panasonic ncr18650b energy density: 243Wh per kilogram
Headway 38120 energy density: 105wh per kilogram

Straight from the datasheet

A mad rush to fall into the sun? Technology will save us from the [unintended] consequences of past technologies? A stab in the dark.

If this is true,lead acid should be good for 10k+ cycles,but it isn't.

One of the main reasons why LiFePO4 has better cycle life than LiCo2 and similar chemistries is lower working voltage.

4.2-4.35V is much closer to electrolyte breakdown voltage,so even at 4.2V there is small amount of electrolyte that "breaks down" and that process is irreversible. By charging LiCo2 cell to 4.1V instead 4.2,you would increase cycle life by factor of 2,but energy density drops by maybe 10%.But,by charging the same cell to 4.3V,cycle life would drop to only 50%. So,4.2V is sweet spot for decent life cycle and close to maximum energy in most cases.

More info here:

Because of electrolyte degradation problems,the worst thing you can do is keeping charger conneted 100% of time,this way cell is constantly at 4.2V and can degrade quickly,so cycle life can be few times less than claimed.

Why should we stop thinking that, when they hide a lot of stuff?