Imalent unveils R70C – R90C – MS12

DENGOH · 2018-11-04T03:49:00.000Z

Newlumen:

DENGOH:

What are the difference between SKV89 and Newlumen test setup and reference light?
Sometimes test setup or reference light is the culprit.

We both have a texas ace 4.5 in tube and mukka calibrated lights…

Do you have earliest data of the setup with reference light and does its trend drifted over time? Also can measure other common lights to see whether your setup is measuring at lower end.

Maybe can try changing or charging up lux meter battery too.

SKV89 · 2018-11-04T03:49:56.000Z

Yep, we have the exact same setup. I also double checked the calibration with the Maukka lights and it’s correct. I’ll do a candela measurement but I haven’t done one before.

But I think it’s just the luck of the draw. I got a bad unit.

DENGOH · 2018-11-04T03:59:27.000Z

SKV89:

Yep, we have the exact same setup. I also double checked the calibration with the Maukka lights and it’s correct. I’ll do a candela measurement but I haven’t done one before.

But I think it’s just the luck of the draw. I got a bad unit.

Ya, It could be bad unit.
One more thing, was the lux meter set to similar range? Not sure what’s reference light lumens? Maybe can play with manual ranging that suit R90C.

Newlumen · 2018-11-04T04:11:45.000Z

I just measured my rot66.

Rot66 xpl hi 5000k. 7300 lumen with the sony vtc5a
Rot66 sst20 CW. 6250 lumen with the sony vtc5a

I always measure my maukka calibrated lights first.

Newlumen · 2018-11-04T04:13:53.000Z

SKV89:

Yep, we have the exact same setup. I also double checked the calibration with the Maukka lights and it’s correct. I’ll do a candela measurement but I haven’t done one before.

But I think it’s just the luck of the draw. I got a bad unit.

It could be… many people received good ms12 and mine came DOA…

DENGOH · 2018-11-04T04:28:13.000Z

Newlumen:

I just measured my rot66.

Rot66 xpl hi 5000k. 7300 lumen with the sony vtc5a
Rot66 sst20 CW. 6250 lumen with the sony vtc5a

I always measure my maukka calibrated lights first.

Are these your reference lights? I think a reference should not be overdriven that hard. It should be stably driven without factors of batteries, contact, led overdriven and heats. Just my opinion.

SKV89 · 2018-11-04T04:41:42.000Z

Newlumen:

I just measured my rot66.

Rot66 xpl hi 5000k. 7300 lumen with the sony vtc5a
Rot66 sst20 CW. 6250 lumen with the sony vtc5a

I always measure my maukka calibrated lights first.

My ROT66 XPL-HI 5000k measures 6,940 lumens with VTC5D. The VTC5A pushes a bit harder than the VTC5D when fully charged so our measurements are comparable.

SKV89 · 2018-11-04T04:42:30.000Z

DENGOH:

Newlumen:

I just measured my rot66.

Rot66 xpl hi 5000k. 7300 lumen with the sony vtc5a
Rot66 sst20 CW. 6250 lumen with the sony vtc5a

I always measure my maukka calibrated lights first.

Are these your reference lights? I think a reference should not be overdriven that hard. It should be stably driven without factors of batteries, contact, led overdriven and heats. Just my opinion.

The Maukka reference lights are bought from Maukka. Here’s the thread.

DENGOH · 2018-11-04T04:52:27.000Z

Thanks. I was not awared of them.
Then i wonder do you bother to try things below:

1.Use the reference light to measure a light that is about 2000+ lumens with lux meter at same range
2.Set lux meter range to higher that suit R90C
3.Use that 2000+ lumens light as reference to measure R90C with lux meter at same range

Newlumen · 2018-11-04T04:55:34.000Z

DENGOH:

Newlumen:

I just measured my rot66.

Rot66 xpl hi 5000k. 7300 lumen with the sony vtc5a
Rot66 sst20 CW. 6250 lumen with the sony vtc5a

I always measure my maukka calibrated lights first.

Are these your reference lights? I think a reference should not be overdriven that hard. It should be stably driven without factors of batteries, contact, led overdriven and heats. Just my opinion.

This is my reference calibrated light from maukka.

SKV89 · 2018-11-04T05:05:56.000Z

DENGOH:

Thanks. I was not awared of them.
Then i wonder do you bother to try things below:

1.Use the reference light to measure a light that is about 2000+ lumens with lux meter at same range
2.Set lux meter range to higher that suit R90C
3.Use that 2000+ lumens light as reference to measure R90C with lux meter at same range

We both use the Texas_Ace Lumen Tube

JasonWW · 2018-11-04T05:16:00.000Z

DENGOH:

Then i wonder do you bother to try things below:

1.Use the reference light to measure a light that is about 2000+ lumens with lux meter at same range
2.Set lux meter range to higher that suit R90C
3.Use that 2000+ lumens light as reference to measure R90C with lux meter at same range

If you are talking about comparing candela readings at a distance then this is fundamentally flawed. It will not work.

Perhaps it would be better to measure a single emitter in the TA Tube. Find a way to block the other 8 emitters. Perhaps use tin foil with shiny side facing into the tube. If you can effectively block all light from the other 8 emitters (maybe through the use of multiple layers) then you can accurately measure the one emitter. Then multiply the results by 9.

This requires we assume the other 8 are just as bright as the one we measured.

I do suspect the TA Tube losses some accuracy on these mega powered lights.

DENGOH · 2018-11-04T05:37:41.000Z

I am talking about ranges in lux meter. The reference light of about 300lumens will most likely at different ranges with 15000lumens light. So i suggest SKV89 to use other higher output light as reference and manually set the lux meter to fix range to measure R90C.

JasonWW · 2018-11-04T05:53:43.000Z

Lux meters don’t have ranges. You can move the decimal point, but 400 lux is always going to measure the same. It might be 400 or 40x10 or 4x100, but it’s the same number.

So I’m really not understanding what you are suggesting. Maybe SKV89 understands?

DENGOH · 2018-11-04T06:03:25.000Z

JasonWW:

Lux meters don’t have ranges. You can move the decimal point, but 400 lux is always going to measure the same. It might be 400 or 40x10 or 4x100, but it’s the same number.

So I’m really not understanding what you are suggesting. Maybe SKV89 understands?

Those ranges are not just mathematics. They are different gains in lux meter circuit.

JasonWW · 2018-11-04T09:15:40.000Z

DENGOH:

JasonWW:

Lux meters don’t have ranges. You can move the decimal point, but 400 lux is always going to measure the same. It might be 400 or 40x10 or 4x100, but it’s the same number.

So I’m really not understanding what you are suggesting. Maybe SKV89 understands?

Those ranges are not just mathematics. They are different gains in lux meter circuit.

I only have HS1010 and LX1330 meters which only has mathmatics. Maybe your lux meters are different?

DENGOH · 2018-11-04T09:29:32.000Z

I can’t recall model of my meter now.
If you switch range and it changes decimal point instantly, then it’s most likely pure mathematic. If it takes longer, it might have extra feature.
You can check Perpetual Lumen measuring X70 having better measurement after he changed ranges.

DENGOH · 2018-11-14T06:17:30.000Z

Many Hulk bought MS12 from Gearbest and gave good reviews.

MS12

Newlumen · 2018-12-31T04:56:39.000Z

R90c is great… i measured 16,590 lumen… which is not too far from 20000… i am using 4.5 in lumen tube. Its still small tube for the r90c… i am happy with the r90c overall… thanks imalent and md4.

Lumeniac · 2019-01-06T08:10:24.000Z

so, i`m in process of testing MS12. and runtime charts are far from what i expected.
it looks like convoy. i unerstand that linear graphic in high modes, but i was astonished to see the same at 1900 (!) lums mode, which is nothing for this flashlight, both for heating and Ampers - it should be perfectly flat. should… but it reality it looks like this slash symbol, but more flat angle “\”

i plan to release review in next 7-10 days, as soon as i make as many pics outdoor as i can