In search of a "real" 5050 green LED

Terve!

I want to have a green light on my microscope that shines from the backside. I will utilize a Convoy S15 head and an external driver with probably 350-500mA plus a switch.

I would like to have a “proper” green, no blue emitter + green phosphor - but I’m having trouble of finding some at 5050 size?
There are the XML-Fakes on AliExpress and the Getian GT LED from Convoy - that’s all I can find?
Is the market for green LEDs so limited that essentially noone is producing LEDs for it other than some rare 3535 ones?
Or am I just overseeing things?

Has to be on AliExpress, some US Store has no use for me here in switzerland :wink:

what wavelenght are you looking for?

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Most “green” is that washed out yellowish-green like you see as “on” indicators.

Unless you go by actual wavelength, you might have to go by name, like pure green, emerald green, etc.

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I am not looking for a specific wavelenght, it just needs to be a proper green.
I have this green 3535 LED here - that’s a good color.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32982324649.html

I will use it to see dust particles better, and green light is better at that than white light in my experience.

Not true 5050, but have you seen the quad XEG board from Cutter Electronics?

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I haven’t seen that, but I am also more in the <5$ range, because this LED isn’t super important

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What’s the reason for the 5050 footprint requirement? Since you’re using a Convoy S15 head, the footprint shouldn’t matter as long as you can find compatible parts.

If you can relax that to 4040 or 3030, you can use the Osram verdure emitters. If you have a secondary optic designed for 5050 emitters, it shouldn’t be difficult to make an adaptor that makes your existing 3535 work.

If you must stick with 5050, the Getian is certainly monochromatic, but you might be unable to use it on a standard MCPCB. Ask Simon for a datasheet or solder pad layout to be sure.

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I already have one on order:

I need a somewhat wide beam profile, sonce the flashlight head will be fixed but I want the green light not just in the center. So an LED with a larger LES would be better than the tiny Osram Emitter or 3535 ones.

SImon answered that he doesn’t have 16mm boards for the Getian LEDs, so they must have a special footprint. I will wait for the Osram verdure and decide afterwards if I try to grind the Getian-MCPCB down

So you’re looking for a wide beam, not a large footprint! A large LES certainly achieves that, but also, Convoy has lots of beaded TIRs that can generate a wide beam from a small LES.

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You are completely right!
I never think about these TIRs since I don’t use them basically ever.

I have some of them here that fit the S15, so I will try them out.

Thank you very much!

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Glad it was helpful, and I hope it works out!

I happen to prefer TIRs for compact lights like the S2+, and ended up with a large collection of them. It’s great fun playing with them and seeing which TIR/emitter combinations work well.

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For a flood you picked the worst led, it has the smallest die of all leds 1x1mm. 5050 xml size would give you better flood

If a heavily beaded/floody/diffused TIR is used, the size of the emitter becomes essentially irrelevant–a 1mm^2 die would make the same beam as a 2mm^2 or even 4mm^2 die. The LES only correlates well with beam width if a converging/smooth/clear optic is used.

For OPs purpose of spotting dust, I whether a smaller die is actually beneficial as it would result in sharper shadows due to the smaller LES.

Intuitively I’m inclined to agree. Since OP wants both wide beam and dust spotting, perhaps a single small emitter, mule-type light would work well–the low etendue allows dust to cast sharp shadows. I’ve built such configurations by putting a convex lens inside an S2+:

It makes a 60-degree uniform beam that casts sharp shadows.

I vaguely recall having a similar discussion to this post on reddit a couple years ago, and the possibility of a diffused/diverged green laser came up, but was dismissed because of splotchy interference patterns.

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In a hypothetical scenario maybe, but with parts he is using, it definitely will matter, a lot

With, say, a 60-degree beaded TIR, it won’t matter. I’ve played around with these TIRs enough to observe this, and you can even run the math:

If the 1mm^2 emitter makes a 5-degree beam, then applying a 60-degree diffusion gets you a 65-degree wide beam. Under the same setup, the 4mm^2 emitter makes a 10-degree beam, the same diffusion gets you a 70-degree beam. Not so different after all.

In other words: if you have strong diffusion, then “noise” (i.e., the diffusion) overwhelms the “signal” (i.e., the size of the un-diffused beam).

I’m not discussing hypothetical scenarios, i’m looking at parts he is using. and they will give him a very poor flood, regardless of angle of the reflector.

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That’s impossible because OP has not mentioned exactly which TIR they have.

That contradicts my experience with beaded TIRs.

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He posted parts list.
What is your experience? I’ve build from scratch, and moded well over 100 lights, most of them well documented on blf cpf and fonarevka.ru. where can I see your builds?

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