Is the end coming for Li-ion cells?

I was reading up on batteries and came across this article.

It discusses a new Japanese start up that wants to start manufacturing dual carbon batteries. Some of the claims are 20x faster charge than Li-ion batteries, environmentally safer, no thermal runaway, etc.

I would be interested to see where this goes. Even if they do not pull it off, possibly a large manufacturer would license the technology.

I mean nothing beats watching someone banging their lithium power light because it shut down....like it used to be common with the "old" standard lights.

Note: I did notice after another search that this has been brought up before but itbstill is interesting to see where batt technology goes.

I have read your link.

If its claims are all true, and I hope it will be, I wonder what will happen to the latest agreement between Tesla cars and Panasonic :~

Tesla and Panasonic are going to build a $5,000,000,000 lithium ion battery plant in the US. They will be around for a while.

Interesting…if comparable to Li Ion 18650’s…that will be SWEET!

Tesla + Panasonic most defintely so. There is no way that they could introduce a new technology like the dual carbon because nobody in the auto industry has ever forgotten the Edsel. :)

Even so, with cars, we have outgrown the 12VDC system long ago. The Li-ion system was looked at in the late 80's for a 48VDC system and nixed because of costs and safety. If this technology can be proven reliable then I do not see why the auto manufacturers would not jump on it in the years to come. It would definitely change the landscape for hybrid vehicles.

Before that would happen though I can see we as consumers becoming the guinea pigs in our electronics and a rate of charge that is 20x faster would definitely get my attention. Just think of the 40VDC Ryobi trimmer if it could be charged in minutes vs hours.

No, absolutely not. There has continually been (and will continue to be) proposed revolutionary battery technologies, but until they are available at scale, they are all vaporware.

I wonder if that was said about Li Ion batteries

Of course it was, but its been said about a lot more things youve likely never heard of, because it tends to be true. Hype Hype Hype …nadda.

‘Reporters’ looking for a story/headline, every day. A company looking to spruik itself.

Well if this pans out I think it’ll be great. I’ll definitely try to keep an eye on these guys.

If I had a dollar for every revolutionary battery hyped in a press release that made it anywhere near production, I’d be flat broke. Not a single, solitary one has panned out… and there has been zillions of them.

Read the last 5 years at MIT technology review, you will find hundreds of ‘revolutionary technologies’ and none of them have been seen again

I still remember when the future of lighting was supposed to be sulfur bulbs. When was the last time you heard about those?

Interesting article, I shall read it on the way to the launch pad in my hover car, for my day trip to the moon :wink:
well that’s what the article I read a long time ago said I’d be able to do by now

As others have said, these things are interesting, but until they happen or you can hold then in your hand or use them, take them with a pinch of salt as they rarely pan out :slight_smile:

I wish there was more information about why they never made it to market, you hear about the technology, then nothing, i’d like follow up articles, this technology was discovered to be too expensive, this technology does not scale well, there was an unexpected failure caused by [this] that caused premature aging, that sort of thing.

Hope is a balloon, skepticism a needle. To compete with liion in autos they also need to be light.

Have to agree with that, would be interesting, but I guess “xyz failed because” isn’t a headline most companies want to publicise

Though you often get some good programme’s on the discovery channel or similar about things that failed or why they never appeared
was one the other day about hover cars, or general person transport, jet packs or the like, in that case they got quite close to perfecting such a thing, started with the Canadian avro car, which the Americans pulled funding on and quietly shipped back to the states and we’ll funded one man hover platforms to move troops and equipment in the field development programme, which ultimately failed
Why? Not from lack of funding or the skills to make it a reality
but because something better came along.

The Helicopter

Well, at least one company did bring them to market. I think that they are actually still in business. The problem with sulfur lamps is distributing the light throughout a building. Plus bulb degradation. Plus LEDs do it better. Plus…

Funny how information gets dropped along the way:

“Positively charged lithium ions”…

The more things change…

Did anybody else notice the “Li+” in the pictures:

I’m all for better batteries, OH yes!!! And finding a new use for “King Cotton” would rejuvenate my home State’s economy OH yes!!

Just a little tired of all the teasing.

Dim