I thought you meant those prices was the total for that number of packs, not counting shipping costs. $3+ for each battery before shiping is a bit steep for used packs that haven't been tested since it's occasionally possible to get new packs for $10 or less including shipping.
80$ would be 3.20$, so what do you think is a more fair price? At that price its is about 0.35$ per individual 18650.
Don't worry about fair. Put it for sale at whatever price you want and keep dropping the price until they sell.
I would rather be fair and help members out than make a bigger profit. That is why I made the thread. I want to get a feel for what BLF thinks is fair, to both parties. I am new and giving back to the group seems like a good idea.
Well, that's nice of you. If you're not doing it to make money, and you got them for free, I'd add an amount for your trouble (gas, supplies, wife), plus a small buffer, and sell it for that. USPS flat rate boxes are free, so supplies may be limited to tape. If those battery packs are super easy for you to get, you don't clean/test/open them, you already had free boxes sent to your house, and you're having the mailman pick them up from your house instead of dropping them off at the post office, and they're random packs, then $80 shipped seems way more fair to you than for members. Keep in mind I seem to value my time more than members here do though, at least that's my conclusion from the low interest in cells pulled from old new stock, cleaned and tested on a hobby charger. You might find the same if you sell it for $80 a box. Ultimately, you can't really know unless you offer it for that price. Now if you opened all the packs, removed the tabs and checked if the cells were healthy, then $80 for a box would seem more for to the member buying than for you.
I would be boxing them and taking them to the post office. I have a bit into each pack from the supplier. So I could go to 2.50$ a pack and still make a reasonable amount. Is that more fair?
The end result is I would like to make enough for two or three hobby chargers and be able to test the packs after I pull them. Not trying to make a coin off of the group just trying to find funds to fuel the insanity.
Let the Market decide and in your add be brutally honest, that is always fair. It’s not like you are forcing anyone to buy them.
I buy a ton of batteries because I like to give them away with my lights. I have also sold a few hundred batteries that were pulled from battery boxes (not by me).
I was selling my batteries for 10 for $20 they were sony 2600 redtops. That included shipping and they were all unused batteries that had all been tested. How much are people willing to pay for used untested batteries? Well that is up to them. Laptops are brutal on batteries so I know I wouldn’t take the chance unless the price was really cheap. Even then I wouldn’t spend more than $25 on a gamble.
The price per individual cell including shipping would have to be under 40 cents for me to even think about it.
As you know it’s a ton of work dealing with these batteries. There is a lot of potential downside (possibly spend money/time and get none that work well) and because of the cost of shipping and work involved not nearly as much potential upside.
I think the red tops were 2200, the blue tops were 2600
But ALL of the ones I have gotten from you are still going strong…and work GREAT in daily driver lights I keep around the house, so much better than the stupid Ultrafire 3400mAh bats I bought from amazon or ebay can’t remember which (they actually get warm on the charger, fresh out of the shipping bag from china…your’s cool as a cucumber)…with cheap laptop pulls there is no reason to buy the crap Chinese mAh batteries
I plunk a fresh charged battery into a 8*7135 light, and it runs hard, gets warm but it’s the light/head not the battery that gets hot, very good batteries and the price just couldn’t be beat!
I wish I would of gotten some of 18sixfifty’s, I have several dozen of my high drain samsung INR-15M’s and they’re great cells but I could really use the extra capacity in my lower draw lights. OP if you want to make as good of a deal as 18six did I would jump on that but I don’t need a huge $80 box of them, no matter how many were in there / how good of a deal I just don’t need to spend $80 on batteries…
Also consider selling them as is, not pulled out / tested. It’d have to be even cheaper since you have no idea what your getting but it’d save you from doin any work, make a little money and possible help some people out.
So, let’s see if I can get this straight. You paid a little for these batteries yourself. You said most show 60% - 70% of original capacity through the laptops diagnostics. Now, you’re looking to sell off some of them to make back some money. But you want to make a little bit more off of them, so you can buy a couple of hobby chargers. You’re willing to sell at $2.50/pack plus flat rate shipping for a box load of them.
If that is all correct, I think you should get smaller boxes. Leftye said that about 25 packs fit in a box. You mentioned two sizes of flat rate boxes. We need to know if the 25 packs/box number is for the large or the medium box. I just tore open three laptop packs this weekend, and I have two more to go. One of the packs was full of dead cells. But I still think I have plenty of cells to power all the lights I have now plus whatever I may buy in the next year or two. In other words, four good packs is enough for me, at the rate of 6-9 cells/pack. I would think also that the people on here who have more lights than me have already obtained some cells along the way. So, not many should be hurting for 25 packs’ worth of cells. You need to find a way to make the box smaller and get shipping cheaper, so people can spend smaller chunks of money per box, especially since the packs are unknowns.
Where are you located
I’m just chiming in to point out that the tape is free too. Flat rate means priority mail, and priority mail tape is free.
Started a for sale thread. I am located in West Virginia. Always willing to do face to face. The small flat rates were too small. The mediums can hold up to 22, or 23 if I get creative. Hope the prices are fair if not please berate me and throw things at me from close distances.
I might be able to fit them in the envelope mailers… Have not tried. But the small boxes were too small. I will look to see if I can find the other size small boxes and see if it fits in them.
I don’t believe they give out free priority mail tape anymore.
Without data on the condition of the individual cells (laptops can be... let's just say overly optimistic in reporting, they can be programmed to report whatever the maker wants) after they are removed and tested in a way that individual cells are normally tested, these packs are worth approximately what you paid for them.
Which is the reason they are being offered for 0.30$ a cell. I am currently using several of them in a mechanical mod and in a few single cell lights. No issues for me, so I am very happy.
Since Hagg911 prefers comments about his batteries here, I've copied this post here.
Great cells? They were at some point. That certainly doesn't mean they are now. Even your testing so far indicates that they're not. Capacity isn't the only test. Worn out cells are going to sag hard at higher currents, even just 1A, which does lower the capacity in testing at that current. If you tested at 0.2A or lower, I bet you'll see a couple hundred more mAh.
Perhaps these cells are good, perhaps they're not. Your testing indicates the latter. The seller isn't doing testing, so it's up to customers to take the gamble. In this case you may have lost. It'd be good to know for sure.
Anyhow, let's diagnose your hobby charger. If it's a Turnigy B6 or clone, you can calibrate the voltage. Do so with a cell that has rested long enough for the voltage to stabilize. If you install Cheali open source firmware, you can calibrate the current too. Hopefully for the seller it's your hobby charger that's bad, and I encourage you to check that and post the results since you've already cast doubt as to the quality of these cells.
Don't make yourself out to be too much of a saint. You've indicated that you're getting these packs for free. Since you've already sold about a hundred, you've probably made $300-500 within 3 days of starting to sell them and still have many hundreds more to sell. Even if you sold them for $1 each, you'd still make hundreds of dollars. I don't begrudge you for selling them, not at all, but I think you're helping yourself a LOT more at that price than you're helping out members. There's nothing wrong with that. You're free to make money like anyone else. Obviously people are happy to pay that price to make that gamble. I've even tried helping you get shipping prices down. You're no downlinx though--he's given away batteries to me and others on this forum that he also got for free.
If you want someone to test your batteries, I'll test a couple if you want. I'll give it the full treatment. You can look at my signature to see what my tests are like, although I'll be adding more data than is in those tests, like temperature, comparisons against smart analyzing chargers, fitment in different lights. It'll probably be two weeks though. Since I'm a bit burned out on battery testing right now, it'll be about a week to test a pair of cells. One pack is more than enough though unless you have different types of packs with other kinds of batteries inside.
EDIT: Let me revise my offer a bit. I already have some batteries in the mail from Supbeam/Acebeam. Because I offered to test their batteries first, when those arrive, I'll immediately start testing them through completion even if I already started testing your batteries.
Do stagnant Li Ion cells need a few charge cycles to “perk back up”?
Those of us who can test these cells in their entirety get a set and test them
I don’t think Hagg911 is a shyster seller trying to screw us over, he is also unaware or uneducated on the specifics of the cells, not saying that is a bad thing but NOT knowing can also be an issue (remember mistreated or damaged Li Ion can potentially become miniature grenades if the conditions are met for venting)
Those who can test em, please step up to the plate and check em out
I might be too open and accepting of peoples and have fallen for a few “too good to be true” dealers and have gotten burned [we all have], but the Marines has taught me one thing “Trust, but verify”