LaserLight SMD by SLD Laser

BlueSwordM · 2019-07-02T15:55:44.000Z

@Djozz and Agro, I would advise you to see how a laser light is usually built by looking at styropyro’s video:

Most laser lights don’t use thermal paste to aid in heat transfer, there are no direct thermal paths for the lasers diodes to dissipate the heat effectively, most laser modules are press fit into the casings with no solder or thermal paste to aid in thermal transfer. Finally, most laser heatsinks aren’t directly connected to the hosts.

That means while the light itself doesn’t get very hot, the laser diode does.

How do I know this?

Well, I have friends that really like high power lasers, and since they know I’m quite knowledgeable about lights, they came to me when they had problems with them.

Anyway, I opened up many laser lights, even custom ones, and man, I was so disappointing with the crappy heat paths that the lights provided, and worse, how the laser diodes themselves are heatsinked.

Even something like a Convoy C8 is built way better in terms of thermal path vs most diode laser lights.
And the thermal design of SMD 3535-5050-7070 LEDs with thermal pads are leagues ahead of almost all diode lasers.

TLDR: Our lights, and LEDs+MCPCBs, are very well designed to get the heat away from the LED as quickly as possible.
Laser diode lights and the diodes themselves, on the other hand, are designed pretty badly in terms of getting the heat away from the laser diode, meaning laser diode lifespan is much lower than conventional LEDs.

BlueSwordM · 2019-07-02T15:57:55.000Z

I’d really love seeing a powerful diode laser that could fit standard 3535 DTP MCPCBs.

We’d see what kind of real potential power we could get from lasers.

Agro · 2019-07-02T19:36:15.000Z

Thanks BlueSwordM. That host on the video is really bad…

Lothar · 2020-02-12T14:19:20.000Z

Any update on this?

~~What does the luminance of 1000Mcd/m^2 mean and how does that compare to kcd readings we use for flashlights?~~
So with CULNM1.TG coming close to 350cd/mm^2 without a collar, is it safe to assume that this LaserLight SMD would have close to 3x the luminance of a bare CULNM1.TG, and 1.5x the luminance of a CULNM1.TG with RLT collar?

Here is an article stating they’ve already managed 1000 lumens from the same SMD, equating to 1530 Mcd/m^2.

Agro · 2020-02-12T14:25:21.000Z

Lothar:

Any update on this?

~~What does the luminance of 1000Mcd/m^2 mean and how does that compare to kcd readings we use for flashlights?~~
So with CULNM1.TG coming close to 350cd/mm^2 without a collar, is it safe to assume that this LaserLight SMD would have close to 3x the luminance of a bare CULNM1.TG, and 1.5x the luminance of a CULNM1.TG with RLT collar?

It certainly looks so.

djozz · 2020-02-12T14:26:04.000Z

It seems so, if this ever becomes affordable, the future of flashoholics looks bright once more.

grin · 2020-02-12T21:56:29.000Z

Think I might have to get one

Lothar · 2020-03-11T10:58:38.000Z

Has anyone been able to contact either Lasercomponents or LaserLight? I’ve tried all the email addresses I could find, but no-one is responding.

djozz · 2020-03-11T11:05:04.000Z

Lothar:

Has anyone been able to contact either Lasercomponents or LaserLight? I’ve tried all the email addresses I could find, but no-one is responding.

I had a reply from Lasercomponents recently, no way that they are selling to individuals. Last year I asked directly to SLD lasers and I could buy a sample for 250 dollar if I signed a non-disclosure agreement, which is rather pointless to me as a BLF member who likes to share my findings over here.

Lothar · 2020-03-11T11:41:14.000Z

So what do we flashaholics have to do if we want to get a LEP SMD for our extreme thrower projects?

Isn’t there someone here on the forum that wants to use their knowledge and connections to do a group buy

djozz · 2020-03-11T11:50:00.000Z

It does not sound like a group buy would be feasible in the light of the answer that I got (I think it is alright if I make it public since there is not any specific content in his reply) :

Dear Mr. *,

Thank you for your inquiry and your interest in our products.
First, we do soll exclusively to companies.
Second, the price per piece is 250,- Euro and so preferred for industrial use.

Best regards,
Stephan Krauß
Produktingenieur
Geschäftsbereich Optosysteme
LASER COMPONENTS GmbH

But maybe you are lucky in a direct inquiry at SLD Lasers

Theodore41 · 2020-03-11T12:51:30.000Z

I have a 5W Sanwu blue laser and it is very good.

Lothar · 2020-03-11T12:54:40.000Z

I’ll keep an eye on this development: Acebeam W40 and W50

SlaytheIncubus · 2020-04-25T01:06:37.000Z

2 of them for $620 or 4 of them for $1,000. No NDA. No restrictions. You own it. Plus the electronics to drive it. Anybody interested???

grin · 2020-04-25T02:53:52.000Z

I would be interested in 1 perhaps 2

djozz · 2020-04-25T11:47:34.000Z

Cool, but too much money for my budget. Where do you source them?

grin · 2020-04-25T12:08:57.000Z

It is a lot of coin. But i would like to put one in the 900mm recoil and I have a 200mm and a 150mm PCX lens. the chunk of aluminium I need will put materials and lens over $1k so might as well go the whole hog.

Lothar · 2020-04-28T08:32:36.000Z

SlaytheIncubus:

2 of them for $620 or 4 of them for $1,000. No NDA. No restrictions. You own it. Plus the electronics to drive it. Anybody interested???

Hi, do you have some real world tests? How do these SMD’s compare to the LEP modules in W30, etc in terms of luminance and thermals?

grin:

It is a lot of coin. But i would like to put one in the 900mm recoil and I have a 200mm and a 150mm PCX lens. the chunk of aluminium I need will put materials and lens over $1k so might as well go the whole hog.

Grin, would you be able to test this SMD compared to a W30 module please?

LEPzoom · 2023-09-03T03:25:39.213Z

The new SMD available now for ordering at this site: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/kyocera-sld-laser/910-00010-WF/16028313
1000 lumen, higher than any other retailed LEP’s spec.
Not sure if it has the optional MCPCB like other lower end modules here:
https://www.digikey.com/en/videos/k/kyocera-corporation/sld-laser-laserlight-skybeam

$175 per unit, $168 per unit if >= 50 order ( group buy ? )

TUIG101 · 2023-09-03T13:00:22.064Z

Nichia also have something similar, not for sale yet, they call it the “GigaWhite™ Gen2” and it’s mentioned here on the bottom of the page as an alternative for the automotive line. LES is rectangular though.