Neal's Gadget silence

Sorry I was just baffled by the claim that Evolution is “unpopular truth”. I don’t mean to continue this discussion, at least not in this thread.

Or you are placing too much weight on your anecdotal experiences. Think about your immediate response of “it doesn’t support what I believe therefore it must be wrong”. That is a perfect example of why we as individuals often find it so difficult to differentiate bad data from good.

I would imagine not as it was written while the country was still under communist rule. :smiley:

(It just made me chuckle)

shrug The doctrinal beliefs of various denominations (or more, the beliefs of individuals that aren’t in line with official catechicsm) regarding what is allegorical & what is literal is it’s own convoluted discussion & far beyond what would be acceptable here.

That isn’t at all what he said.

Wow you just had to be a dick, hadn’t you :slight_smile:

Sorry but it’s a bit too hard to believe that in the USA, the country with the highest amount of religious people out of any other developed country, the country that started the flat earth movement, only 18% reject evolution. Especially after it turned out the data actually states 31%, but some people “changed their mind” after they were presented with a “modified” version of the question. Sure that’s not sketchy at all.

And no, the Bulgarian anthem was not written while the country was under communist rule. It was written in the 19th century.

Talking about good and bad data when the poll size was the enormous amount of 1600 people. OK.

Nice try, pal.

1600 people is plenty for a very accurate statistical analysis.

But coming back to the large percentage of US citizens who believe that a higher power guided human evolution, I wonder how many of those don’t actually believe it was a god but alien visitors who came to Earth in the past. I know Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick haven’t been part of the mainstream media for decades now, but they certainly had an impact on people’s modern beliefs.

I don’t fully agree here. They also never say where they conducted the survey. As I said, large cities and small cities would generate vastly different results.

After I started reading the links the user provided I found this:
“It’s important to note that our international surveys have used a different approach to ask about evolution, so results are not directly comparable to our new U.S. survey”

If I can add another layer to my “anecdotal evidence”, I’m also not aware of anybody in Europe trying to ban evolution from being taught in public schools.

And I want to clarify something for other Americans reading this pointless conversation - I’m not bashing on the US. The US is a great country that gave all the world many goodies, like the computer I’m writing this on. And I enjoy my stay every time I’m there.

You can agree or disagree, but this comes back exactly to not understanding facts and choosing to believe what you wish.

I’m just saying that statistics can present something as a “fact”, but statistics could be twisted and manipulated. Statistics are not fact themselves. They just present data, on the basis of which we can or cannot conclude if something is a fact.

For example, I’ve seen statistic that show black people on average have lower IQ than white people. Should I take this as a fact, or should I at least investigate the methods which they used to came up with this result?

And any of this has what to do with Neal’s gadgets?

Please, take all the religious/political views to PM or better still to another forum, as it always stirs up emotions. This thread is emotive enough without more being chucked on the fire.

You’re right, I apologize. I will not post anything offtopic anymore. I urge the other participants to do the same. I’m open to a civilized discussion on PM.
Have a nice Sunday everyone.

I only quoted you, must have had the quotes mixed up. Someone got a refund and a light they didn’t order so that means they got a light for free that they didn’t pay for. That’s the facts. Paypals stance or not that’s means someone got a light for free.

Actually no, I’m not.

I’ve not said anything that should be taken as confrontational.

What is your definition of ‘developed countries’?

The modern flat earth movement was started in England.

It merely reflects how complicated polling can be, and the importance of asking the right questions.

The melody for Mila Rodino was written in the 1800s, when it was re-adopted in the 1960s the lyrics were changed in the later versus. The point being that a national anthem that was allowed by the communists was almost certainly not going to have a mention of a god.

Given the population of Bulgaria at the time that is pretty large sample size. A 95% confidence level with a margin of error of +/- 4% would have been achievable with fewer than half that number.

What exactly do you believe I’m ‘trying’?

Why is this in Deal Alerts ?

Remember that there are lots of people paying attention when they hear multiple members mention that they are having problems with a vendor . Whether it's Neal,lumintop,astrolux,gearbest or Bangood ... You may feel like you're all alone and no one cares that you're getting the screws put to you or being ignored by a vendor.

This isn't just a lack of communication on their part , it's a loud and clear warning to us all .

Maybe putting this into the correct area would help new people that are considering shopping from these dealers .

I am putting ALL orders from CHINA on HOLD until things get back to normal.
I have 2 orders from different stores placed weeks before the CNY and they still have NOT shipped.

Indeed, time for SB to close this thread

Yep, same here.
They are trying to keep corona behind the great (fire)walls of China as well

Well ,if you want a free flashlight,just order from neal & hope he sends the wrong one , lol .

I’m curious about box labels. I ordered a FW3A 3D a while back and the box came with a “WW” sticker on it; warm white as expected.

The FW lights haven’t yet been added to the comprehensive beamshot page at

I more recently ordered a LUMINTOP FW21-CREE XPL HI 3D and what I got is cool white. No sticker on the box. Yeah, I emailed a note that I got the wrong item.

The order had been long delayed because, Neal replied to my inquiry, saying one smaller item was out of stock; I asked him to cancel that part and ship.

Does this sound like his shipping person just looked at my order and grabbed the wrong box?

What labels have people gotten on boxes to distinguish what emitters were used in FW21s?

I have ongoing contact with Sofirn/Wurkkos with whom I work. Contacts never interrupted in these weeks.
I’m ordering and getting confirmations from many Chinese stores.
I find it strange that Neal, despite not being able to reach the workplace, is not able to communicate with his buyers (like Giancarlo) from home.

It would be nice if Neal gets things worked out soon. I would like to order several more lights from him especially the FW1A Pro but I still have not heard from him about my NI40 I ordered on January 31st. I’ll give him a few more weeks but after that all I can do is retract my payment. I think 7 weeks is more then fare and patient.