Watch this video and see what this country has come to.
Their quality will undoubtedly go way down from here on out as US workers who know they are being replaced are going to do what they need to do to effect the bottom line of the scumsucking corporation.
I am sure Old Lumens can tell us what other makes they manufacture as I do not want to buy anything that helps that company ever again.
Spread the word, NO CARRIER
this is really sad.
Yeah it really sucks, but if I was one of those employees I’d be really glad they gave me a full year’s notice. Most people don’t get that. It would have been a better business decision to tell them a week before so that the quality didn’t suffer in the meantime, but somebody at Carrier had a little decency.
Carrier was bought out many years ago by United Technologies, which is a “Global Company”. You will see that more and more. Carrier has many facilities in the USA. Most all of them have been loosing money for many years. Carrier has given their employees quite a long notice. They did this in Tyler too. People knew far longer than a year, about the plans to close. Much more than most companies. Trane has also done the same and moved most of their plant to Mexico. They moved back after a couple of years or so. There are so many companies that have been bought out by larger companies, you just would not believe how many. Once the “Global Economy” grew into what it is, many nations are set for failure, as business will always go where the costs are the lowest. It is what it is. No matter how “advanced” we become, we are still the same humans we have always been. It has never changed and will never change. It is what we call human nature. Look around and you can see it every day.
There are hardly any “made in America” product any more. Even ones that are assembled here have most of the components shipped from overseas or Mexico. As long as there is a large difference in the “Costs of living” throughout the world, business will continue to make huge profits by going where the costs are the cheapest.
Why is that? Look right here and see how most everyone looks for that “lowest price” on your flashlights. Trying to save a dollar here, or ten dollars there. We did and do it to ourselves.
We need to find out what we are doing wrong that drives manufacturers to other nations, and then stop doing that. This is politics, return to having an inviting country for business and manufacturing, or continue driving them out, we even see this from state to state in the U.S., as a business will move out of California and into another American location.
Hi everyone, please be very careful that this doesn’t turn into a political discussion. Thanks in advance.
Cost of labor is only a relatively minor factor in this, what are very significant are Mexico’s (& other countries) tax & capital investment incentives.
Eventually those same manufacturing facilities will move to wherever else (?Africa) will offer better incentives.
High labor costs, plus high value of dollar which makes wages even more expensive. It’s not rocket science. This is a world economy. If companies can’t produce goods at a profit locally, they’ll either go bankrupt or move somewhere else.
This is not a bad thing. This is a good thing (in the long term).
If the U.S. wanted to be an economy based on growing cotton and making textiles, it could have chosen to be protectionist a hundred years ago. I think you made the right choice by opening up trade. That is always a good move.
Sure, it sucks for the outdated, overpaid employees that lose their jobs. But in the long term, companies become more productive, innovative, and the country (as a whole) benefits. Citizens get cheaper goods elsewhere, things which the US is good at gets produced (or serviced) locally.
The U.S. didn’t become the most diversified, productive economy in the world by crying about lost jobs every time a worn-out company had to reinvent itself. Destruction of the economy in one area is redeployed to something better.
Is it turning political? I did discuss economics. Is that considered political?
Discussions on world economics is fine.
However, characterizing the U.S. workforce as outdated and overpaid might tend to rub people the wrong way. So, too, the remark about “crying about lost jobs every time”.
It’s not what you said, it was how you said it. 
We in the USA all buy lights and batteries made in China because they are much cheaper than those made domestically. Same thing.
“Toughlove” starts with “Tough”.
You can’t solve a problem with the same kind of thinking that created it.
In the first place, no one “stole our jobs”; we gave them away. This is just the latest example, and Carrier has been “reorganizing” like this since I repaired the network in their local Distribution Center in the late ’80s!.
But it’s not “outdated and overpaid” that is the problem here, it’s all the disinterested 3rd parties with their fangs in the Market’s bloodstream that’s killing us. Yes I mean unions and the political class we won’t discuss here. I understand that’s inappropriate and causes much OT chatter. But I also mean the spin-off dumb ideas like the notion that “certified” or “licensed” or “authorized” is worth more than “experienced” or “capable” or “competent”. Like the bizarre notion that a cup of your pee is more important than the scope of your skillset.
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We ignore the blood loss at our children’s peril.
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Hating Carrier won’t help. It is the natural course of business to seek the lowest cost of operation. But the recent embarrassing announcement by someone who-shall-not-be-mentioned trying to slap an enormous tax increase on gasoline just because the price has finally come down, is a grand example of the kind of thinking that caused this problem. Yet a disturbing number of us seem to beLIEve that if we just bleed a little more for “those people”, it’ll all be better this time.
It’s not about politics. It’s about letting stupid people who hate us decide how we should live our lives and engage each other in Free Trade and social intercourse. Expecting some 3rd party to fix things for us is idiotic and insane.
It hurts us to allow ourselves to be led this way…
People seek high pay and low prices; companies seek low pay and high prices. Somewhere the twain must meet if either is to benefit from the endeavor. Without the company there is no product and no pay, and without the people there is no company and no profits to pay people with. It takes both together to make an economy work.
I prefer to ‘buy locally’ most of the time, though sometimes this isn’t possible or is just too costly to consider. I do this because of my business- I remodel homes and for my customers to have the money to hire me they need a good wage, and they all live locally. So in supporting local companies I am also also supporting myself (greedy little beggar aren’t I?). And my HVAC guy is the one to ask about Carrier; I just call him and say “How much?” because he knows his stuff and he makes better decisions in that field than I can; never a problem with his work or whatever equipment he chooses. That is what matters most to me and my customers.
What worries me most is that throughout history, a nation’s greatness has come from either their goods output or through trade. The US no longer excels at either like they did in my younger days for whatever those reasons may be. That which has been lost will take decades to recover, for it was decades in the losing. To expound further might take me into the political realm so I won’t go there, though I will say that what I feel is the real reason for this has not been seen or addressed by anybody (not even close) so either I am a dunce or a sage and I really don’t want to know the answer to that question.
Just leave me with enough money for a few nice flashlights and I’ll be fine 
Phil
Business evolves.
Hmmm, well, I certainly did not mean to imply that all US workers are outdated and overpaid. In fact, quite the opposite. The US has the most productive and diverse economy in the world. It is because it gets rid of “outdated and overpaid” workers in a specific company or sector that is dying, that allows those resources to be reallocated to better industries and services.
You could be the best at making buggy whips, but who cares? Technology, industry, and the world moves on. Jobs must move on with it. Don’t cast your shoes into the gears of industry because you’re mad that jobs move elsewhere. Embrace the new jobs that come with more productive companies and industries.
Where Carrier makes their furnaces isn’t the least bit important to me. Same with where flashlights are made. I’ll buy the best product for the lowest price I can afford.
If I buy a Chinese flashlight for $50 US, that money isn’t lost. Those US dollars must eventually come back to the US. Some Chinese guy will buy something made in the US with those $50. That $50 will go to a productive US company. That is exactly where you want the $50 to go.
(The only value that $50 has to the Chinese, is if they spend it. It’s US dollars, so it has to come back to the US eventually.)
Don’t buy local, unless it makes economic sense to do so. Direct your dollars where you will save the most, and those dollars will come back home to add to a productive area of your economy. Everyone wins that way: you, the Chinese, and the US. That’s what makes free trade such a good thing.
I am from Connecticut and for the time being United Technologies is headquartered here.
Just recently GE has decided to leave for the Boston area. There are rumors that both Aetna and CIGNA will also leave. These are U.S. To U.S. Moves but it hurts us just the same.
This reminds me of when playing sports and a referee makes a bad call against our team. Either the team can just give up and loose or play all the harder and win the game.
In the end, winning the game is all that matters.
Let me preface this by saying I still and will always wear Levis. They were super good to me when I was an engineer for them many many years ago. Even put me through college. 100% !!!
There is nothing new about big corporations moving to other countries. Levi did it 40 years ago. Due to the internet and global communications being what they are we just hear more about it. When Levi did it, few folks knew for 20 years. 
We help this happen each time we don’t purchase American made goods. Think about it! TL.
All good points and an interesting discussion overall…
It isn’t business evolving, it is government.