Noob driver questions

Hi all. Please excuse my noobness. Im a carpenter, its usally my job to put holes in and accidentally cut wires. Not fix them or understand how magic eletron bunnies work.

I hace a couple older s2+'s. Im thinking i might like to update the driver if its possible.
One has a 219b 3500k with the 12 mode linear driver. The other is a significantly older one with an XML2 U2-1A. No idea of the driver.

Hopefully im clever enough to work out they are both 3v emitters. Removing the old driver and soldering on a new one is well within my abilities. But how do i find out if 5 amps will fry them?
Ive done searches. Opinions vary. Ive found manufacturers specs. But its seems they are often ignored in the search fkr more lumens. Id rather not kill a perfectly good emitter. Flowing a new one is probably beyond my skill and desire.

My other project if possible would be to upgrade my m21a from 4 mode 6a driver to the 8amp 12 mode buck.

Id love answesrs of course if these driver swaps are viable. But is there a resource or general rule for overdriving emitters for a noob like me?

The 219B shouldn’t be driven above 3A. The XM-L2 should be ok at 5A, but most likely it wont reach that due to its high Vf.

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Vf… thats a concept i struggle to understand.

So the xml will work at 5a but wont actually draw 5a because of the higher vf required?

Hopefully thats right. Because it makes sense to my simple mind and basic grasp of ohms law :joy:

The 219b is a definite no then. Bugger. Its a sweet light.

Is the xml on copper or aluminum? 5A’s might fry it if it’s not copper.

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Hmmm… i dont know. Its an old 2018 7135x8 unit.
Sounds like neither conversion is a great decision.

I assume the 8amp sst40 is viable?

If you want something similar tint-wise, Nichia 519a can be driven harder and have more output. IIRC 5a is ok but around the limit (I normally use them in triples or quads).

If you’re looking to make a hotrod, SFT40 (I’d search for a 5000k instead of the common 6500k) and W2 will take anything you can throw at it. Another option is a 6v driver and the XHP series of LEDs.

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What is the reasoning behind the upgrade(s)?

The reason for the s2+ was to dip my toe in the modding pool.

The m21 is to get more performance and get rid of the 4 mode driver.

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As long as the S2+ drivers are held in with a retaining ring and Not soldered to the pill(Threaded Brass thingy that the driver and led are attached too) it’s not too tough.

If the Driver is soldered to the pill, it can be a nightmare, without the proper equipment.

Depending on the wattage of your soldering iron, you may have issues getting the solder on the MCPCB to flow properly.
For lower wattage soldering irons I recommend placing something like a popsicle stick between the MCPCB and the Pill.
The Pill will quickly wick away the heat from the iron, so isolating the MCPCB makes it much easier to get the solder to flow.

Don’t forget to clean/reapply fresh thermal paste if you end up moving the MCPCB.

If the driver on your S2+ with the XML is green it’s probably the 3/5 mode driver(one of my least favorite UIs!).
Like @SIGShooter mentioned, if the MCPCB is aluminum(most likely it’s aluminum), 5A may burn it up.

Simon sells the 8×7135 12 group driver which would be a good choice if you plan to keep the XML and it has an aluminum MCPCB.

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I wouldn’t recommend 8A for SFT40.

If you want more throw I’d recommend getting a SFT40 and use the 8A driver on it like @James_C recommend.

For drivers that are soldered to the pill I used to solder thin wires to the underside of the driver and then just press fitted it into the pill. With the proper combination of wires & thinkness you may never get the driver out of the pill in the future :blush:

Ok thanks everyone. Looks like i wil shelf the simple driver swap plan. Or maybe go with the 7135×8 driver.
The m21a will have to stay as it is

Why not replace both the driver and LED? You can get a LED on copper for not much money.

Im in Australia. The shipping to here on mtn was almost the cost of the whole light when i looked last.
I could go ebay or aliexpress and get free shipping. But have am concerned about getting dodgy gear.
If simon had the sft40 or w1 for the m21a or a 519a for the s2+ on board ready to go i would give it a go. But im very noob and cant figure out sizes. Help would be very appreciated.
I think 16mm board fits s2+. But not sure about m21a. Id upgrade my s21 to 519a and buck also if i could do that.

Have you looked at http://kaidomain.com/ ? They sell mounted LED’s and drivers and perhaps they ship cheaper/free to Australia. I’ve ordered from them a number of times, as recently as this year, and never had a problem with getting my purchases.

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The S2+ uses a 16mm MCPCB
The M21A uses a 20mm MCPCB

The XML, SST40 and SFT40 are all 5050(5mm×5mm) so the Gaskets would be interchangeable.

The Nichia 219* and 519A are 3535(3.5mm×3.5mm)

So if you went from XML to 519A you’d need a different Gasket and vice-versa.

The S2+ reflector has a 7mm hole so you’d need a gasket designed for a 7mm hole reflector.

The M21A reflector could have a 7mm, 9mm, or 10mm hole, but if you go from SST40 to SFT40 no worries just use the gasket from the SST40.

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Kaidoman sells gaskets that convert 5050 to 3535 and vice-versa.

Try this one weird trick to make electricians angry! :rofl:

(Not an electrician, my job is more turning the electricity into data via rooms of computers, but know a few)

Forward voltage. The minimum voltage at which the LED will illuminate.

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Awesome. Thank you

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