Q8, PMS SEND TO THOSE WITH ISSUES BLF soda can light

The_Miller · 2017-05-01T22:25:58.000Z

Hmm I missed RMM was asked and that he would stock up.
Lots of talk about cells lately with M4DM4X asked for nice deals and I am pretty sure it was not mentioned or brought up then.
I do know shipping to US can be troublesome for cells and that RobertB was kind enough to set something good up and today DMM was not mentioned or chimed in.
So at worst it is two reliable suppliers with good cells and undercutting seems a bit to strong right?

DB_Custom · 2017-05-01T22:31:25.000Z

Only too strong if Richard didn’t already sink several thousand dollars into getting some cells coming. Like, maybe $10,000? Then undercutting is an appropriate word. 1100 lights, 4 cells per light, at least 4400 cells needed, possibly 3000 of those in the US, at a wholesale cost of maybe $4 to 7 each, and Richard is an individual, not a big company, an individual that started stocking supplies for BLF modders so they wouldn’t have to wait for the slow boat from China. So by someone asking him to lay in stock for this group buy, it’s not exactly a minor deal.

That said, I have no idea if Richard ordered extra cells based on this inquiry, I read it here that someone asked him and he said he would, that’s what I remember and that’s why I asked, because I know what it could cost a guy that has been good to us and always offers a BLF discount.

The_Miller · 2017-05-01T22:34:05.000Z

The Miller:

PBWilson:

Yesterday I sent an email to Richard at Mountain Electronics about possibly stocking up on the recommended batteries. He got back to me really quick and said he would.

Now I’m off to check the Army surplus stores to see about smoke grenade pouches!

Ah nice so
USA Europe Australia covered for a higher price but faster and no fakes for sure

Ah yes it was not long ago.
But a mere question to get cells that are popular in stock is different from setting up a code and special price.

PBWilson · 2017-05-01T22:43:40.000Z

I was the one who mentioned it to Richard at Mountain. I was ready to pull the trigger on a quad of 30Q and GA cells (but he was out of the 30Q button tops) and a few other things and I wanted him to have a heads up that there could potentially be a need for cells once production starts. It would’ve been a shame to miss out on some sales if he were still out. I never thought about him laying out a mountain of cash (pun intended) and be stuck with a bunch of stock that’s going nowhere. I’d hope that extras would eventually sell since there are a good number of lights that perform best with high drain cells.

The_Miller · 2017-05-01T22:46:44.000Z

Djeez, you got me there with that 4400 cells bought post Dale.
Checked RMMs topic, no mention of something special about the Q8.
Relief.
Of course non US would not likely buy cells in the US
But we could ask for something for the GT, that can eat 8 cells and lots of US based BLFers

goshdogit · 2017-05-01T22:51:20.000Z

BDWrabbit:

Thanks to those who have ordered these pouches already.

I received my two pouches today. They’re very sturdy and appear brand new. Highly recommended! :+1:

They’re great for the Noctigon Meteor, too. A snug fit, but a gentle push from the bottom pops the light out enough to grab. Guess I’ll need to order a couple more!

Thanks, BDWrabbit for the excellent eBay service, and to Tom E for alerting us!

Tom_E · 2017-05-01T22:57:41.000Z

That be them! I ordered 3 more, but afraid it's not enough.

DB_Custom · 2017-05-01T22:59:20.000Z

Geesh.

Richard ALWAYS offers a code.

Richard’s price is ALWAYS special. Why do you think he’s out of stock presently? Because people trying to make money buy large quantities from him and resell the items for a profit. All day, every day. To me, that’s a lot like what effect it would have if someone or multiple someone’s in this group buy bought 30 Q8’s instead of the 2 they spoke for, only to sell them later when the price goes up.

ryukin2000 · 2017-05-01T22:59:32.000Z

Noob here on batteries. So how much am i sacrificing if using the protected panis in the Q8 instead of the 30Q’s?

Tom_E · 2017-05-01T23:05:55.000Z

ryukin2000:

Noob here on batteries. So how much am i sacrificing if using the protected panis in the Q8 instead of the 30Q’s?

This is from the older prototype, but gives you a good idea, comparatively. The KeepPower are protected Pana 3400's. The EagleTac's are pretty old, but never performed well - high resistance PC most likely, and using Pana 3100's. The GA's with a quality PC do quite better than the KeepPower's:

joechina · 2017-05-01T23:16:41.000Z

@ryukin
ca. 400lm Sanyo protected vs. Q30

according to post 5212

Edit: Tom posted the whole pic

At that brightness level 400lm should be unnoticeable.

DBSAR · 2017-05-01T23:07:28.000Z

DB Custom:

I just asked on the 30Q thread and I’ll ask it here again for clarity, but I would have sworn somebody already asked Richard to lay in stock for this upcoming group buy, now we have Liion Wholesale in on it too, are we going to be undercutting a BLF member by having too many irons on the fire, so to speak?

I do prefer to buy my LiIon cells from Richard (RMM) as he is the most reliable source for genuine cells in my mind. All the cells i bought from him are great so far.

ryukin2000 · 2017-05-01T23:28:36.000Z

Tom E:

ryukin2000:

Noob here on batteries. So how much am i sacrificing if using the protected panis in the Q8 instead of the 30Q’s?

This is from the older prototype, but gives you a good idea, comparatively. The KeepPower are protected Pana 3400’s. The EagleTac’s are pretty old, but never performed well - high resistance PC most likely, and using Pana 3100’s. The GA’s with a quality PC do quite better than the KeepPower’s:

Thanks for the chart Tom. So around 600lumens. Hmmm while that is a lot of lumens not sure if worth it to spend on cells as i have the Ncr18650bs just sitting around waiting for a home.

ryukin2000 · 2017-05-01T23:19:42.000Z

joechina:

@ryukin
ca. 400lm Sanyo protected vs. Q30

according to post 5212

Edit: Tom posted the whole pic

At that brightness level 400lm should be unnoticeable.

Thanks joechina. I went with the @30sec values and w/ spring bypass. 400 loss makes me feel better though.

joechina · 2017-05-01T23:34:42.000Z

I don’t think its a big difference. It should only be noticeable if you have two lamps and you can compare at the same time.
It is hard to to distinguish 800 and 1000lm in normal use.
Thats 200 dif from 800lm.
vs. 4-600 dif from 5500lm
And its a flodder.

DB_Custom · 2017-05-01T23:44:34.000Z

Um, reports are that it’s throwier than expected. J-Dub was surprised, expecting it to be a flooder. Tom loves using it for walks in the Park and such, says it reaches a surprising distance. Some of the multi-emitter lights can be quite surprising in how collimated the beam profile is.

sparkyDK · 2017-05-01T23:55:27.000Z

Speaking of something to carry the Q8, i think i will go with this.

“Tardigrade Tactical - DK Smoke Grenade Pouch” is a versitile pouch optimized for the danish smoke grenade.
The pouch can be adjusted to fit other NATO grenades including the “7-bang” flash bang grenade.
The pouch attaches to MOLLE and is optimized to work with MOLLE belts and will also mount on 45 and 50 mm belts.
The pouch is reinforced on the front on the outside and on the inside, where the pin is located.

Tardigrade Tactical is a veteran owned and run design and production company founded in 2011 and based in Copenhagen, Denmark. We specialize in designing and manufacturing tactical equipment for military personnel and law enforcement officers.

Maybe this one.

Tom_E · 2017-05-02T00:04:42.000Z

Just be careful of the sizes. I've gotten fooled before. the two clip Molles were the other ones that fit, though not as heavy material. Think I tried a flash bang Molle, and was wayyy too small.

deleted-200707 · 2017-05-02T00:43:24.000Z

seems there are plenty(1200+) of ppl signing up for this and then there is the other BLF thrower
that there is 18650 market for whoever throws their hat in and so far…I only see one US dealer who has committed?

Bruno28 · 2017-05-02T00:45:56.000Z

when will this light be ready for order?