Reply from a seller about advertising generic Chineese LEDs as CREE LEDs

This was some T10 automotive bulbs, the one this seller was selling and the real CREE Q5 ones are about $10 difference in price if you include shipping.

I messaged the seller telling him they are not CREE LED’s just incase he didn’t know because not everyone would know these things and maybe thats what he though he was selling.

This was his reply:

I understand where he is coming from but still its pretty dishonest tactics, I don’t know how eBay lets them get away with it time and time again. In the past I have reported 100s and 100s of fake items, duplicates, browser search manipulation, listing in wrong categories etc… I have checked for days and weeks on end the things that I have reported and they never do anything about it.

I find it hard to believe a multi billion dollar corporation would have any trouble hiring staff to keep up with the reports that could save millions in PayPal disputes.

Do you think eBay are letting them get away with it because they are getting the most of their income from Chinese seller fees?

I think eBay relies on the disputes to do their quality control. If nobody disputes anything, then it must not be a problem. With eBay and pretty much all budget dealers, it is buyer beware! And be ready to lodge disputes because that is the only way to way to weed out dishonest dealers and get their attention. The problem is that especially with eBay that it is so easy to just let your account get closed down and start a new one. Websites aren’t much different.

As with all private sales, it’s buyer beware on ebay. Same kind of thing goes down at the local flea markets around here.

Until ebay is legally forced to get it’s act into gear it will continue to do bugger all :frowning:

Truly a terrible company really and simply couldn’t give a chuff about anything other than making money.

They just bring parties together, then will intervene if buyers or sellers don’t behave. But the assumption is that everyone behaves. I hate to think what kind of fees there would be if eBay had to verify every product that is for sale there. It just wouldn’t be possible. They do the best they can, which is to set up rules and arbitration, hope people follow the rules, and take action if they don’t.

I don’t doubt that there are also unscrupulous buyers out there that will buy something, then file a false complaint about the product, hoping the seller will refund their money no questions asked. So sellers need some amount of protection as well.

How many flashlight? Scrolling down that page showed content to be one. I just payed without checking.

Lennart

Yeah, I’ve been fooled by that “pcs” thing before too. I was ordering some battery cases and thought I would be getting 4 cases, but the “4 pcs” referred to how many batteries one case could hold.

Negative feedback given?
These seller still have 98-99% positive which I think
is unrealistic.When you read negative comments it´s
sometimes due to ladys underwear that do not fit.

Lennart

Yup, that’s Meg Whitman for you.

This is a good example of tragedy of the commons. In a field of honest sellers, the one/few dishonest ones gain an advantage by overrepresenting their product, which only attracts others to do the same to avoid being at an disadvantage. Each seller is only doing what’s in their own best interest or what’s necessary to survive, but circumstances push the system to be worse.

The only way to solve this is via punitive measures from ebay, ie. basically like our legal system.

Of course, other sellers who follow and do the same are similarly dishonest.

Dishonesty grows when the public decides the cost of pressing their case for justice is not important.

Unfortunately, some in the public agree that some dishonesty is acceptable. For them, it does not matter which sellers were the early dishonest, or those who followed.

It is the acceptance of dishonesty and corruption that push the system to be worse. And it is the willingness of the public to push for correction that can move private and public authorities to better action. Either way, the cost of dishonesty is borne by others as long as there is acceptance.

this is how china economy grow up :stuck_out_tongue:

Its disappointing… But Duty Calls!


XKCD xkcd: Duty Calls

Similarly on the other side, when one/few people press the issue they bear the cost for which everyone reaps the reward; ie. a “selfless” act without proportionate returns. Unfortunately, collectivist action where everyone pays for vigilance is pejoratively considered communism or at least socialism in the US. The additional irony is that the extreme selfishness which has afflicted chinese culture since the introduction of unfettered capitalism. Not dissimilar to former soviet republics where doing business is difficult because of the atmosphere of distrust bred from this after fall of the curtain.

You can report them to eBay if you want.

You can report them for "listing practices>search and browse manipulation>misusing a brand name" or just straight up "copyright and trademark" infringement.

The "Report Item" button is half way down the right side of each listing.