Rey Engine

trakcon · 2019-09-05T18:44:42.000Z

SKV89:

I really like the UI in the TiLan and Pineapple. I think it is good the way it is. Just wan to request that you don’t glue the mcpcb to the shelf. You have the best host and great driver, but just don’t like the emitters.

I’ve been eyeing a brass Pineapple V3, but will likely want to swap the emitter. Is the mcpcb glued down? That could be a problem.

SKV89 · 2019-09-05T19:04:37.000Z

Yes it is glued. Rey said it is removable but I don’t have the technique to do it without damaging the pill

Barkuti · 2019-09-05T20:06:31.000Z

wle:

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I’ve always wanted mode spacing like this

1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024

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Powers of two, yeah. But…

What do you mean with output? I mean, all of you. Because light output ≠ current output.

If we refer to driver output current the mode spacing needs to be bigger than just twice, at least if we aim to see a doubling in light output for each subsequent mode.

Yokiamy · 2019-09-05T20:17:28.000Z

wle:

your UI looks like BLF A6

which is good

i;ve always wanted mode spacing like this
1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024

with a really fast way to switch , like BLF A6 - half tap on the button, with a long tap going back one level
i consider that the next best thing to ramping

(though i have never seen a good ramping UI til anduril)

wle

You know the human perception of light output is not linear?
There’s a reason flashlight manufacturers use mode spacing of 1, 10, 30, 100%

CRX · 2019-09-05T22:11:09.000Z

I might have something like this:

Operation:
Single click - On/Off
Single tap - Mode sequence (Looped)
Double tap - Shorcut to 100% White
Triple tap - Shortcut to 100% Red

Configuration:
10 clicks to enter configuration, after voltage readout it will give 6 solid flashes, each flash stands for a given function.
Is voltage readout and/ or a thermal stepdown a possibility?

Config Menu:
0 .Cell voltage readout possible? in actual blinks (3.8v = 3 blinks, - 8 blinks)

Select a mode group, from G1-G15
Moonlight mode on/off.
Mode memory on/off.
Reverse mode order, H-M-L to L-M-H.
Thermal config stepdown possible?
Reset. (Default. 100, 20, 2, 100 Red) H-M-L-R

Mode groups:
(Double tap shortcut to 100, Triple tap shortcut to 100 Red)

1. 100, 20, 2%, ML
2. 100, 30, 5, 1, ML
3. 100, 35, 10, 2, ML
4. 100, 40, 15, 5, 1%, ML
5. 50, 10, 1%, ML

6. 100, 20, 2, ML, Red 100
7. 100, 30, 5, 1, ML, Red 25, Red 100
8. 100, 35, 10, 2, ML, Red 100%, Red breathing
9. 100, 40, 15, 5, 1, ML, Red breathing, Red 25, Red 100%
10 100, 40, 15, 5, 1, ML, Red 100, Red 25%, Red breathing

11. 50, 10, 1, ML, Red 25, Red breathing
12. 100, 30, 1, Red 100, Red Beacon, Red Strobe100, White Beacon, White strobe 100
13. 100, 30, 1, Red 25, Red breathing, Red heartbeat strobe.
14. White 30, Red 100, Red 25%, Red breathing, Red heartbeat
15. White 30, White breathing, Red breathing, Red 25, Red 100%

Hidden group: (White tactical strobe)
When the light is on, press and hold the switch for 1.5-4 seconds.

wle · 2019-09-06T00:39:23.000Z

Yokiamy:

wle:

i;ve always wanted mode spacing like this
1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024

wle

You know the human perception of light output is not linear?
There’s a reason flashlight manufacturers use mode spacing of 1, 10, 30, 100%

yes, that is exponential, not linear

wle

anonymous_user · 2019-09-06T03:07:07.000Z

wle:

Yokiamy:

wle:

i;ve always wanted mode spacing like this
1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024

wle

You know the human perception of light output is not linear?
There’s a reason flashlight manufacturers use mode spacing of 1, 10, 30, 100%

yes, that is exponential, not linear

wle

Isn’t “1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024” actually a geometric sequence?

raccoon · 2019-09-06T03:13:11.000Z

anonymous_user:

Isn't "1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024" actually a geometric sequence?

I believe it is an exponential sequence, but I think modes work better when you multiply by about three (instead of two) between modes.

DavidEF · 2019-09-06T03:57:46.000Z

raccoon city:

anonymous_user:

Isn’t “1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024” actually a geometric sequence?

I believe it is an exponential sequence, but I think modes work better when you multiply by about three (instead of two) between modes.

That was my understanding as well.

Alitd · 2019-09-06T05:07:53.000Z

1.Red25- red100- white2% – 25% – 100%

This is what Krystal should have offered.

Hidden is intuitive but turning off and back on quickly can trigger accidentally.

I have x2 Lan, a Pineapple and the Krystal….I love your work.

ReyLight · 2019-09-06T10:00:12.000Z

MascaratumB:

Hi Rey! First, I will be honest: I don’t own any of your lights, yet! Only some lights with your “old” drivers! I will need to save some to finally get one of your lights

Anyway, I will give you my input on this, based on my assumption of what could be good or “useful”.
Here’s my proposal, picking your own suggestions.

- Having a range of modes from which you can choose (from 1 to 5/6, in which “1” is a true moonlight and “5/6” is the highest output). By this I mean, having the possibility to have only 1 mode or all the 6 modes in use.

- Having double click for turbo from any mode (and a double press to get back to the previous mode).

Having that longer press to access RED with a further half press to alternate between “low RED” and “high RED” levels (and eventually RED strobe if you really want it). Again, a longer press to return to the regular white LED. Of course, this part would only work well with reverse clicky switches.

As you suggested, having the possibility to turn the memory ON/OFFm, turn moonlight ON/OFF and to choose modes from lower > higher / higher > lower modes is appreciated.

These are only suggestions with some the intents of:
*having that true moonlight,
*having shortcut to turbo,
*having the possibility to choose the amount of modes in use,
*have RED light outside the regular cycle,
*not having blinking modes.

Hope you find it useful in some way!

Thanks for your input.
Let’s assume that I was at low mode, and I want to get to high mode; if I click rapidly (let’s say 2-3 times within 1 second), I will be forced into the hidden mode.

ReyLight · 2019-09-06T10:04:36.000Z

Tixx:

MascaratumB:

These are only suggestions with some the intents of:
*having that true moonlight,
*having shortcut to turbo,
*having the possibility to choose the amount of modes in use,
*have RED light outside the regular cycle,
*not having blinking modes.

Hope you find it useful in some way!

Agree! I don’t mind if blinkies are hidden. Triple click or something (Like Zebralight). I use at night when walking home and crossing streets at night. Stop signs are sometimes meaningless and need to attract attention to myself. But your suggestions are excellent!

Zebra uses electronic switch, reverse clicky is quite different. 1click= next mode, 2 clicks= next 2nd mode, 3 clicks= next 3rd mode.
It can ealisy cause some confusion.

hodor · 2019-09-06T10:57:46.000Z

I love the spacing of LAN/Pineapple. One thing I would note though is I occasionally overshoot or over estimate how much light I want / need and inadvertently enable mode memory. Not sure if anyone else has this problem . Also, handing these lights to muggles is a guaranteed switching of mode memory. Personally, I would like to see config mode require more than 8 clicks.

ReyLight · 2019-09-06T11:16:25.000Z

hodor:

I love the spacing of LAN/Pineapple. One thing I would note though is I occasionally overshoot or over estimate how much light I want / need and inadvertently enable mode memory. Not sure if anyone else has this problem . Also, handing these lights to muggles is a guaranteed switching of mode memory. Personally, I would like to see config mode require more than 8 clicks.

I can imagine that.

rngwn · 2019-09-06T11:19:40.000Z

Since the perceived brightness is exponential, I’d say:

ML-1.5–6–25–100

perhaps adding and extra moonlight-only mode activated by double-tap to prevent accidentally ruining night vision.

hodor · 2019-09-06T13:55:41.000Z

Are we talking clicky or e-switches? For e-switches, mode memory with shortcuts to firefly, via hold from off, and double click to turbo are

ReyLight · 2019-09-06T15:32:23.000Z

hodor:

Are we talking clicky or e-switches? For e-switches, mode memory with shortcuts to firefly, via hold from off, and double click to turbo are :+1:

Reverse clicky.

MascaratumB · 2019-09-06T16:53:08.000Z

ReyLight:

MascaratumB:

[…] - Having a range of modes from which you can choose (from 1 to 5/6, in which “1” is a true moonlight and “5/6” is the highest output). By this I mean, having the possibility to have only 1 mode or all the 6 modes in use.

- Having double click for turbo from any mode (and a double press to get back to the previous mode).

Having that longer press to access RED with a further half press to alternate between “low RED” and “high RED” levels (and eventually RED strobe if you really want it). Again, a longer press to return to the regular white LED. Of course, this part would only work well with reverse clicky switches.
[…]

Thanks for your input.
Let’s assume that I was at low mode, and I want to get to high mode; if I click rapidly (let’s say 2-3 times within 1 second), I will be forced into the hidden mode.

Hi Rey! Glad you find it useful!

I do understand your perspective and concern about the double click making us enter the “hidden” mode (Turbo). I guess that in a reverse clicky will always be hard to control the amount of pressure and the timing to make it act correctly.

Some time ago I made some demonstration videos with the guppy3drv firmware by doctor Jones. In this driver/UI you can choose some configurations where you can double click for turbo from any mode and a half press takes you back to the previous mode.

I tried to demonstrate that you can “manage the timing” of the double click, but it is true that it is not always possible to get it right.
However, take a look here.
Maybe there is another option instead of 2 fast clicks, but I really, REALLY, think that having the possibility to enable/disable a double or triple click to turbo would be awesome in a reverse clicky flashlight!

Hope this helps

I also made another video showing it with forward switch but I guess it will not be useful in this project.

ReyLight · 2019-09-07T10:50:48.000Z

Agreed, doule or triple click are always hard to control for some people.

Great idea. Add 2 configs, to enable/disable the doule or triple click.

MascaratumB · 2019-09-07T10:54:56.000Z

ReyLight:

Agreed, doule or triple click are always hard to control for some people.

Great idea. Add 2 configs, to enable/disable the doule or triple click.

Great That would be a nice feature! That way, those that feel more uncomfortable will have the possibility to chose what’s the best suitable UI

Glad you found it helpful