similarities Utorch S1 Mini, Klarus Mi1c, Olight Minis, and Sunwayman

jon_slider · 2018-05-17T16:40:31.000Z

edited the feature list to correct the Ti S Mini is NW, and to show the LED types

Nichia compatibility is lacking for the Olight S Minis because the TIR is designed for the wider die XML2, though I made an exception for the Sunwayman that is also XML2, because it does not have a TIR. I did not mark the Olight S1 Mini as Nichia compatible not because of the TIR, which IS compatible, since the light uses an XP-G3, but because the Olight S1 Mini cannot be opened without damage. The ones marked Nichia compatible have bezels that unscrew easily, and use XP leds, that match the footprint of Nichias… At least, that was my thinking. Open to corrections.

jon_slider · 2018-05-24T15:43:40.000Z

fwiw, the N219b 9080 LEDs from Clemence are available again, for one last time. Anyone interested, this is your chance to stock up.
see

[GB ended, news update only] Last batch of 219B sw45k R9080 and sw40 R9080 Commercial Sellers' Spot

UPDATE 180723: All orders except those with additional special request, shipped today. ------- UPDATE 180714: - All non XP16 orders dropped at the post office today. The tracking numbers will follow tomorrow. - XP16 orders processing will start tomorrow (received the XP16 from Hank yesterday) -------- UPDATE 180711: Most of the orders shipped today. I'm a bit overwhelmed by this GB and the store orders at the same time, so please bear with me. How to track your order: Check if the stat…

Agro · 2018-05-29T12:18:40.000Z

jon_slider:

16340 light features

Great comparison, thanks. It would be even better if you included light dimensions and weights.

jimmy_yang · 2018-05-29T12:35:49.000Z

However, the high CRI provided by 0Light S1 Mini is a tragedy.
Cree High_green-CRI

jon_slider · 2018-05-29T17:29:55.000Z

Agro:

light dimensions and weights.

Good idea
I dont want to take the time atm, but I can tell you that the Utorch S1 Mini weighs about 5 grams more (the weight of one USA 5cent coin), and is about 1/4” longer, than the Olight S1 Mini High CRI

I have a thread here with more info about both lights

Olight S1 Mini High CRI and Utorch S1 Mini NW, now w N219b and E21A CR123A Flashlights

Olight 42 grams w battery and clip includes awesome USB 16340 Clip works on a hat Beam is tight with large hotspot Extra Green Tint around the corona click on, hold to change modes, click off, tail magnet is not strong but works, even sideways no keyring attachment on tailcap High CRI Difficult to Open to Modify Moonlight can be memorized Strobe is a triple click from any mode including off modes: spec 0.5-12-50-250-450. my meter 0.3-11-39-181-460/360@1 min, 270@2 min Utorch 47 gr…

jimmy yang:

However, the high CRI provided by 0Light S1 Mini is a tragedy.
Cree High_green-CRI

I agree. I could tolerate the light with a Lee 1/2 minus green filter. But I sold it and bought some Utorch S1 Mini instead, because they can be modified to Nichia.

The Olight S1 Mini has high CRI Ra, but rather low CRI R9, the Saturated Red component.

there are more photos and info about the R9 of several high cri lights here

High CRI leds, comparing R9 values, XP-G3 N219c N218b XM-L2 XP-L2 LED Flashlights – General Info

collected images from maukka, showing that 219b beats 219c and XP-G3 and XM-L2 and XP-L2, in red rendering. Focus on the height of the Red Bar (R9) [image] And a couple Zebras… you can see they are very low in R9, which imo is the reason there is so much “tint lottery”. Its not really lottery, its just that the High CRI Zebras have very low R9… Not a lot of red, so the green and yellow dominate their tint. [image] References: links to maukkas original spectrum charts that are the source of …

jon_slider · 2018-09-20T00:55:38.000Z

added Fenix E16, preliminary… I invite more accurate info, for example, should I also list a Cool White option (Fenix E16R), and does anyone know if the tailmagnet is removable, and if the beam is similar to the Olight S1 Mini?

Agro · 2018-09-19T21:50:09.000Z

Size / weight data straight from manufacturers:
Olight S1 mini 21*54 mm, 43g
Olight S mini CU 21*54.5 mm, 54g
Olight S mini Ti 21*54.5 mm, 31.5g
Utorch S1 Mini 59.4*20.6 mm, 28g
Klarus Mi1C Alu 54.5*20.5mm, 27g
Klarus Mi1C Ti 54.5*20.5mm, 33.2g
Klarus Mi1C Cu 54.5*20.5mm, 56g
Klarus Mi1C HCI 54.5*20.5mm, 26g
Sunwayman T16R 59*26mm, 30.8g
MecArmy PT16 69*30mm, 45g
Fenix E16 51*21.1mm, 21g

Olight S1 Mini Al seems too heavy, maybe they include battery?
Also Klarus Mi1C weighs less in HICRI.

jon_slider · 2018-09-20T00:28:16.000Z

Agro:

Size / weight data straight from manufacturers:
Olight S1 mini 21*54 mm, 43g
Olight S mini CU 21*54.5 mm, 54g
Olight S mini Ti 21*54.5 mm, 31.5g
Utorch S1 Mini 59.4*20.6 mm, 28g
Klarus Mi1C Alu 54.5*20.5mm, 27g
Klarus Mi1C Ti 54.5*20.5mm, 33.2g
Klarus Mi1C Cu 54.5*20.5mm, 56g
Klarus Mi1C HCI 54.5*20.5mm, 26g
Sunwayman T16R 59*26mm, 30.8g
MecArmy PT16 69*30mm, 45g
Fenix E16 51*21.1mm, 21g

Olight S1 Mini Al seems too heavy, maybe they include battery?
Also Klarus Mi1C weighs less in HICRI.

Thanks for your contribution!
I added the weights to the feature charts posted above also

I agree Olight S1 Mini weight is way overstated above
the Utorch S1 mini weight is understated above
I removed the lights I dont have from the list below, these are their actual weights on my scale:

these are empty weights, no battery, AND no clip. Posted clip weight separately, so people can add those in if desired. (I remove clips for personal preference, so clip weight is separate)
Olight S1 mini 21*54 mm, 21.2g clip +5.2g
Olight S mini CU 21*54.5 mm, 52.3g clip +3.2g
Olight S mini Ti 21*54.5 mm, 28.5g clip +3.2g
Utorch S1 Mini 59.4*20.6 mm, 30.5g clip +3.1g
MecArmy PT16 69*30mm, 54g

Agro · 2018-09-20T00:36:58.000Z

I think dimensions deserve a mention too. F.e. Sunwayman is quite large for its weight.

jon_slider · 2018-09-20T00:56:22.000Z

thanks for the reminder, updated the chart w weights, thanks for collecting the data

Slayer1 · 2018-09-20T02:32:42.000Z

Great info.

Agro · 2018-09-20T07:19:37.000Z

Maybe-correction: E16 probably doesn’t come with a TIR but with a lens-reflector hybrid. I doubt it’s narrow, but maybe…

jon_slider · 2018-09-20T15:40:23.000Z

Agro:

Maybe-correction: E16 probably doesn’t come with a TIR but with a lens-reflector hybrid. I doubt it’s narrow, but maybe…

I believe the E16 does use a short TIR, but may be mistaken. Fenix calls it an “optical lens” and shows it compared to what I would call a TIR, hence I consider the E16 lens a short TIR.

As far as narrow or wide, my definition of a narrow beam includes the Olight S Mini and Olight S1 Mini. They are basically a wide hotspot, but not as wide as the spill on a conventional reflector beam. I call it narrow, because when I use an Olight as a headlamp, I have to move my head a lot, to keep the bright beam on whatever Im doing with my hands.

My only reference for the beam on the E16 is the German Video. It shows a very round beam, no hotspot, hence, I think TIR, similar to Olight beam.

By contrast the Aspheric lens of the Utorch S1 Mini, is a huge flood of even light. When used as a headlamp, I do not need to move my head, just my eyes, to be able to see everything in my hands, out to shoulder width, easily.

For my arms length headlamp use, a conventional reflector, such as on my Lumintop Tool, forces me to move my head constantly, to keep the hotspot aimed at whatever is in my hands. I do not like reflector beams for arms length. I dont like the Olight TIR any better. I consider both give me a narrow field of bright light at arms length.

these are just my thoughts, Im open to others perspective. Some people for example, might consider the beam from an Olight TIR to be “wide”, and it is certainly “wide-er” than the hotspot from my Tool, when shining across a room…

Here is an example of an Aspheric, then an Olight TIR, and a conventional reflector on a Tool.

the lights are, left to right, Utorch S1 Mini w Aspheric and 2000k E21A, stock Olight Ti S Mini w TIR and NW XM-L, Lumintop Tool w reflector and N219b 4500k 9080

Personally, Im very disappointed with the Tint of the Ti S Mini. I would sell that light for $40 shipped Conus, if anyone wants it, PM me.

Agro · 2018-09-20T18:56:54.000Z

Here is my best guess on how does the E16 lens work.
I think the central part refracts some light, focusing it forwards. It somehow redirects outward light towards reflector, possibly using total internal reflection for that. Then reflector makes a forwards-facing beam out of it.
Regardless if I’m right or wrong about that, I really don’t think this is just a TIR.

jon_slider · 2018-09-20T21:06:14.000Z

Agro:

Regardless if I’m right or wrong about that, I really don’t think this is just a TIR.

thanks for the link and info
you may be right that it is a Hybrid that relies on a reflector, not just fully TIR

whatever it is or does, I look forward to someone posting side by side beamshots of the E16 and an S Mini, so we can see how the beams compare.

Agro · 2018-09-20T21:45:31.000Z

Me too.

jon_slider · 2018-09-20T22:19:01.000Z

I am curious about the Fenix E16, I hope someone does a review.
Im even more curious about the Klarus Mi1C High CRI.

Glenn7 · 2018-09-21T18:41:45.000Z

Olight S1R II

jon_slider · 2018-09-21T19:14:05.000Z

Glenn7:

Olight S1R II

The S1R use a unique IMR battery with the positive and negative on the same end, to work with the magnetic charger. Its a convenient package, but, Im not very comfortable with the exposed charge ring on the tailcap…

otoh, if you want to use the light to start fires, here is how to do it:

Olight H2R ignites steel wool with its tailcap LED Flashlights – General Info

[Olight H2R ignites steel wool with its tailcap] Also, electrolyzes salt water to hydrogen and oxygen: [Olight H2R electrolyzes salt water to hydrogen and oxygen] Edit: and powers an Astrolux S41, making over 700 lumens: [Olight H2R powers Astrolux S41 from its tailcap]

Also that IMR battery is UNProtected, so, BAD idea to use it in any of the S1 Mini or S Mini, that lack the protection circuit built into the S1R. I gave my S1R to one of my adult children as a house light. I did not want to keep it around, due to the non standard battery.

Agro · 2018-10-25T09:34:32.000Z

Some more info: throwiness. Based on manufacturer data.
Mi1c Al: 0.7 cd/lm
Mi1c HCRI: 4.1 cd/lm
Mi1c Ti/Cu: 4.8 cd/lm
Olight S1 Mini Ti: 5.5 cd/lm
Olight S1 Mini Baton: 7.0 cd/lm
Fenix E16: 7.2 cd/lm
Don’t have the numbers for the others.

ADDED: I see that E16 uses XP-L HI while S1 Mini Baton uses XM-L2.
This means that with XP-L HI S1 Mini would be able to collimate the beam to very roughly 14 cd/lm. Olight optics is way throwier than Fenix one…