[Solved] Anduril Tactical mode Bug Report, Aux stay On

jon_slider · October 11, 2024, 12:43am

Every time 6C Tactical is enabled, the Aux lights turn On in Voltage Color Blink Mode.

imho, Aux should be OFF, when 6C Tactical is enabled.

SammysHP · October 11, 2024, 4:09am

Tactical mode uses the aux settings of lockout mode.

jon_slider · October 11, 2024, 4:26am

Thank you!

Better if it used Aux OFF by default, same as 5C momentary.

Can you point me to where it is documented, that Tactical uses Lockout Aux setting?

its not in the manual afaict

SammysHP · October 11, 2024, 6:24am

github.com

ToyKeeper/anduril/blob/e43203f814c7040c49dbb7d4804e9f2008633b7b/ui/anduril/tactical-mode.c#L57


      
              interrupt_nice_delays();  // stop animations in progress
          }
          
          // delegate to momentary mode while button is pressed
          if (momentary_active) {
              momentary_state(event, arg);
          }
          
          memorized_level = mem_lvl;  // restore temporarily overridden mem level
          
          // copy lockout mode's aux LED and sleep behaviors
          if (event == EV_enter_state) {
              lockout_state(event, arg);
          }
          else if (event == EV_tick) {
              if (! momentary_active) {
                  return lockout_state(event, arg);
              }
              return EVENT_HANDLED;
          }
          else if (event == EV_sleep_tick) {

Light_Veteran · October 11, 2024, 6:40am

I think aux in tactical mode need to blink in different mode and not in the same way as lockout mode.
Because if I I don’t remember the mode I select, I burn my eyes because the standard setting in tactical is level 150 but if I use lockout mode is set to moon 1. So is a little bit uncomfortable in my opinion.

MascaratumB · October 11, 2024, 6:46am

I use tactical as predefined mode (ready to use and locks the light just leaving those 3 modes I want accessible for momentary taps) and don’t have that issue, my aux lights are always OFF.

It can be turned off in the settings for sure

jon_slider · October 11, 2024, 2:53pm

Thank you Sammy
clearly that is not going to help anyone who reads the manual

strongly suggest the Manual should document how to turn Off Aux in Tactical mode, IF it is going to stay linked to Lockout Aux condition

but imnsho, Tactical should work the same as Momentary, with Aux Always Off, by Default…

Tactical mode should not blink at all, ever. Having Aux On in Tactical is contrary to Tactical strategy, which is to be NOT visible when the button is not pressed.

Otherwise I be like, hey you bad guy, Im over here… shoot me now… you can see where my Aux lights are blinking so you can shoot at my position.

that means non tactical lockout mode also Must have Aux Off… bad idea… If someone changes their Lockout Aux to be on, that Ruins the Stealth of Tactical mode.

whereas 5C Momentary has Aux off by default, no matter what the lockout Aux are set to.

imo Tactical should absolutely NEVER have Aux ON, and it should be a default, not tied to lockout Aux condition

dirtydancing · October 11, 2024, 8:17pm

As we have seen, the current state is not documented in the manual indeed. Just for your information, I have already opened a pull request addressing exactly this issue over at GitHub back in December of 2023 (just to document the current state, not to change it):

jon_slider · October 11, 2024, 9:00pm

Thank you.

before I learned from this thread, about turning off lockout Aux to have Aux off in Tactical, the strategy I came up with was to use 5C Momentary, after first ramping to a ceiling set to 150.

Tactical does work fine with Lockout Aux Off… much simpler than my 5C approach.

So, Im very grateful to Sammy for teaching me how to turn off Tactical Aux, it is now working fine.

So Im marking this bug solved

I still suggest it would be better if Anduril Tactical defaulted to Aux Always Off.

Mandrake50 · October 11, 2024, 9:05pm

I definitely agree.

dirtydancing · October 11, 2024, 9:23pm

fwiw, although currently not documented in the manual, this is documented in the diagrams by containerfan and myself:

jon_slider · October 11, 2024, 10:02pm

Very helpful to see the charts have it listed

thank you for pointing that out

Light_Veteran · October 13, 2024, 11:02am

I agree jon_slider so i think an other option would be a sub menu in tactical mode for disable Aux led if don’t need them.
I hope for the future TK write a different code for a blink o breath mode for the aux in general.

SammysHP · October 13, 2024, 11:51am

Any specific suggestions?

Light_Veteran · October 13, 2024, 1:36pm

The transition between all color is not soft and i never use low mode (it’s too low).
Maeerxu Aux staff are more cool than Anduril (and you know how i love Anduril)
and their SMD RGB are different and probably a little bit “pro”.
The Maeerxu UI is booring and inefficient but i appreciate the diversity and much more possibilities for the second channel and also the Aux are very bright…
The red and blue police In anduril is useless for now and we cannot change anything
I think we need to help TK to find a good way to use AUX
I’m thinking… Keep in touch

SammysHP · October 13, 2024, 2:54pm

The current implementation was chosen because it needs very little power. Adjustable brightness or mixing would require at least four times the power of the current high mode. For a flashlight like the TS10, the battery would be completely drained in just one day.

If you find a low power RGB controller (let’s say not more than 100μA) with small footprint, I2C interface and good availability, I’m sure it could be added.

Chris100575 · October 13, 2024, 3:34pm

I know different people will have different ideas of what they want from aux lights, but I for one do not want them to light up my bedroom at night. Low on the D3AA is already too bright unless it’s set to red, the last thing I want is it to be even brighter.

jon_slider · October 13, 2024, 4:08pm

agree. I never use High Brightness Aux on my TS10. I only use low red for the nightstand.

I also think the new 50% FET firmware that came on my MAO TS10 is much more practical. Turbo is about 640 lumens and Tactical is about 350 lumens…

No one seems to have noticed the output change. Im waiting for output and runtime confirmation from someone with better equipment.

Mandrake50 · October 13, 2024, 5:25pm

I am torn on this. I always set top of ramp to be at a sustainable level on the older TS10s. But I left turbo enabled just for the times that I might need or want a strong burst for a few seconds… I like having the higher output capability even though I seldom use it. BTW, I have never burned any of the LEDs. But also never did any long term use of 150/150. But then, I love having over 400 horsepower on tap in my vehicle… even though I only use a fraction of that 98% of the time.

jon_slider · October 13, 2024, 5:41pm

The burned LED issue is usually associated w the use of the Vapcel H10 battery.

It is debatable whether 1400 lumens is significantly brighter, to our human visual system, than the 50% FET setting.

but, for people who have the ability to reflash, it is optional to install the standard firmware with 100% FET… I dont plan to do that as I see no benefit to making the light briefly brighter by a relatively visually insignificant amount, at the expense of more heat, faster battery drain, and potentially burned LEDs.

My car has 250 HP. I do confess to occasionally stomping the pedal to the metal when merging… lol

But I disable Turbo on all my Anduril lights. ymmv

One of the main reasons I disable Turbo, is so I get consistent output from 2C from Off and 2C from On.

otherwise, w Turbo enabled (option 1), 2C from Off gives a different output (Ceiling), than 2C from On (Turbo). I dont want the inconsistency… when I do 2C from Off or from On, I want the same output result.