Standard time or Day Light Savings time?

Lightbringer · 2023-02-03T08:36:58.000Z

Standard earth time, and permanent.

People want more daylight in evenings in summer, let companies, stores, etc., change their opening/closing hours instead. Work actual 8-4 instead of “9-5”.

“Daylight savings time”, ie, redefining the observed time to get the illusion of “more daylight”, seems a Microsofty thing to do.

Per the “joke” (which is actuality, not a joke; cf: “line separator” vs “line terminator”):

q: How many Microsoft employees does it take to change a lightbulb?
a: None. Microsoft just declares darkness the new standard.

That’s DST in a nutshell.

turkeydance · 2023-02-03T23:13:42.000Z

I’ve been working 23/7
To come up with a joke
about daylight saving time.

Lightbringer · 2023-02-04T00:20:20.000Z

I had a showdown scheduled at high-noon.

I was late.

raccoon · 2023-02-04T00:27:17.000Z

Good jokes, turkeydance & Lightbringer!

I used to think I was funny, but I'm not as funny as you two.

Lightbringer · 2023-02-04T00:39:23.000Z

It’s all in the timing…

turkeydance · 2023-02-04T01:41:27.000Z

why can’t Spring daylight saving
happen at like 4pm on a Friday?

Photon_Master · 2023-02-04T04:38:32.000Z

Always knew I’m weird. “Time is an illusion” is at 28%. I feel like if I want to enjoy darkness for my flashlight obsession, an arbitrary time system does limit the endless luminary possibilities

lampliter · 2023-02-04T14:12:46.000Z

The sun rises and sets on it’s own time and really doesn’t care what we do with our clocks.

Unheard · 2023-02-04T17:37:25.000Z

Standard and make it permanent.

brad · 2023-02-04T20:56:33.000Z

lampliter:

The sun rises and sets on it’s own time and really doesn’t care what we do with our clocks.

That reminded me of the time after some hard partying when I woke up in the morning and noticed I had to hustle to make it to work by 7 am, without showering I jumped into my clothes and then the car and was doing fine, the sun was coming up and I would make it, except that I noticed Burger King was open and then noticed other businesses were open that weren’t morning businesses, it seems it was 7 pm.

gravelmonkey · 2023-02-04T21:29:52.000Z

I’ve not followed this news/politics in the USA. It’s a shame there’s not a “don’t care, just decide and stick to one timezone all year”…

At the moment, the split is between Standard and make it permanent and DST and make it permanent… So if you are one of the people who chose these, would you prefer the current situation OR to permanent Standard/DST opposite to what you want?

I suspect “time is an illusion” votes are from those of us who are from the rest of the world…

I actually like Lighbringer’s suggestion of summer opening times… Lots of touristy places have peak/off peak opening hours, so it’s not so hard to imagine rolling that out a bit wider. Might have difficulty with things like schools changing kids attendance hours and parents workplaces remaining fixed and therefore inconvenient…

MtnDon · 2023-02-04T21:45:13.000Z

Something I have never heard anyone specifically mention is how many minutes difference there are between the sunrise and sunset times at the east and west boundaries of the same time zone.

For example, in the Mountain Time Zone here in the US, there is a difference of 50 minutes between West Wendover, UT and Burlington, Colorado (west and east sides of Mtn Time at pretty much the same latitude). The folks in Burlington, CO are already seeing the sun almost an hour earlier than those in West Wendover, UT, but both are using the same clock time. Sunrise 6:26 AM (east side) and 7:16 AM today (west side)

Add to that the fact that sunrise and sunset are also influenced by one’s latitude. The farther north the earlier the sun rises in summer than down in NM or further south. So nothing is going to make everyone happy all the time. And not everyone in one location may be happy all year round if the clock gets set to the same standard all year.

It is the switching back and forth that bugs me. It is especially awkward when neighboring Arizona does not observe DST except for the Navajo Nation. But the Hopi Nation does NOT observe DST like the rest of AZ; never mind the that the Hopi Nation is entirely surrounded by the Navajo Nation.

Leave the clocks alone and go with the average that was set in the 1800’s. Mankind has a sketchy record of making changes in the natural world without having unintended consequences.

Logan_5 · 2023-02-04T22:11:36.000Z

Pick one and leave it be. Oh, and time is an illusion.

raccoon · 2023-02-04T22:15:29.000Z

Lightbringer · 2023-02-05T00:00:50.000Z

MtnDon:

Leave the clocks alone and go with the average that was set in the 1800’s. Mankind has a sketchy record of making changes in the natural world without having unintended consequences.

We need a law to officially define 𝜋 as exactly integer 3.

Oh, wait…

pennzy · 2023-02-05T01:00:03.000Z

I heard that in one time zone, I can’t remember where, it would not get light out until 9am because they lived near the western edge. This is if we went to permanent DST.

raccoon · 2023-02-05T01:05:12.000Z

Lightbringer:

MtnDon:

Leave the clocks alone and go with the average that was set in the 1800's. Mankind has a sketchy record of making changes in the natural world without having unintended consequences.

We need a law to officially define pi as exactly integer 3. Oh, wait…

There's a Bible verse, where if you do the math, pi equals exactly 3. True story.

Jerommel · 2023-02-07T10:31:25.000Z

Logan 5:

Pick one and leave it be. Oh, and time is an illusion.

No it isn’t.
Each day from noon to noon is exactly 24 hours.
How do you think clocks used to be calibrated?
All laws of nature are bound by time too.
In our common natural reality time is absolutely real.

flightless22 · 2023-02-13T17:39:22.436Z

It’s a quote from Einstein

“People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.” In other words, time is an illusion.

When you think about it, it makes sense that time is an arbitrary construct — it’s our way of making sense of growing up and growing old while the world changes around us. It’s not all that hokey. So let’s look at how our perception of time changes in different locations. "

interestingengineering.com – 27 Jul 21

What Einstein Meant By "Time is an Illusion"

The universe is a strange place. Einstein believed that time may be an illusion. What does that mean?

ToyKeeper · 2023-02-14T16:59:54.047Z

Standard time all year. And let people work more natural hours.

Sleep studies show again and again and again that most people naturally wake up later than they are required to for work, and almost everyone would be healthier, happier, and live longer if they could wake at their natural times instead of being forced to cut their sleep short for work. Using standard time helps reduce this problem, while daylight time makes the problem worse.