Teaser XML-3 Coming 5A rated

Geuzzz · 2019-10-15T14:39:57.000Z

Yes, high cri for the olight xml tirs please.

Yokiamy · 2019-10-15T15:37:20.000Z

Marc E:

Good points, high CRI with easy dedome? Yes please! Especially if it can be overdriven.

It should be! Cree’s XML2 official ratings are 3A, they survive until 6A or so
Since XML3 rumours are rated at 5A, this sounds as great news.

EasyB · 2019-10-15T16:05:19.000Z

Interesting. That it’s rated brighter than SST40 is promising. But I wonder about its Vf. If it’s higher like other older gen Cree we won’t typically push much current through it. And with the bond wires there tends to be a not very high current limit (~8.5A for SST40, 5A for some earlier XML2s) so that will be interesting to see.

Scallywag · 2019-10-15T16:05:51.000Z

Chatika vas Paus:

Again these yellow LEDs… If there’ll be a rainbow like xp-g3 or xhp.2 then sst40 and luxeon v will still be the favorite

My concern as well.

mrheosuper · 2019-10-15T16:49:33.000Z

finally, a new version of XM-L led

the yellow is lighter compared with other Flip chip LEDs of cree, so this will be interesting
edit: i can see 2 electrical wires, so it may not use Flip chip design

welight · 2019-10-15T17:42:56.000Z

avail samples perhaps Dec 2019
vf quoted as 2.82 at 700ma
1513 Lumens at 5Amp
Cheers
Mark

Omega_17 · 2019-10-15T19:09:38.000Z

SSt-40 is at 1703 lumens at 5 amps according to datasheet.

welight · 2019-10-15T19:20:42.000Z

Omega_17:

SSt-40 is at 1703 lumens at 5 amps according to datasheet.

dont see P2 bin in their list of actual avail part numbers, is P2 out there? Cree data is based on side by side steady state test of SST-40 N5 bin next to XML3 U4 bin

Lexel · 2019-10-15T19:23:35.000Z

SST-40 is in N4 and N5 available
so 1503-1603lm 85°C 5A

the question is how much current those bond wires take

everydaysurvivalgear · 2019-10-15T19:39:56.000Z

About time

adam7027 · 2019-10-15T20:35:33.000Z

Interesting news. Would be good to see document as well.
No flip chip is also welcome (I hate ‘Cree rainbow’).

Also, sometimes in the future, Cree should also make a domeless 5050 LED as well, there could be long lines forming for that.

Some bottom lines:
Cree should really improve its CRI classes, instead of ‘min 0 typ 68’, ‘min 70’, ‘min 80’, ‘min 90’, they should use ‘min 80’, ‘min 90’ and ‘min 95’ - under CRI 80 it is only garbage.

Barkuti · 2019-10-15T20:59:23.000Z

adam7027:

…

Cree should really improve its CRI classes, instead of ‘min 0 typ 68’, ‘min 70’, ‘min 80’, ‘min 90’, they should use ‘min 80’, ‘min 90’ and ‘min 95’ - under CRI 80 it is only garbage.

Waste no time :)) my friend, send 'em a suggestion so we can all enjoy the improvements ASAP.

It would also help more than a lot if people were to stop buying :-D “garbage” low-CRI led emitters, like me and others do. And while we're not the only customers, this is no license to get off our donkeys. O:)

Agro · 2019-10-15T22:16:24.000Z

Similar Vf, similar output it seems. Tests will tell which is better. Cree is likely to offer CRI 68-70-80-90 while Luminus has 70 and prepares 95.
Cree is likely to offer many CCTs while Luminus is cool only and CRI 95 will be warm only, at least initially.
Any hints on die size?
I wonder how’s beam greenness…

KevinZA1988 · 2019-10-16T04:36:19.000Z

All my Olights are waiting patiently for some high CRI goodness from either Cree or Luminus…

Cereal_killer · 2019-10-16T06:59:01.000Z

Barkuti:

It would also help more than a lot if people were to stop buying “garbage” low-CRI led emitters, like me and others do.

You honestly think they would make changes if a few enthusiasts stopped buying a few led’s? They literally wouldn’t even notice…

Natewar · 2019-12-07T05:56:23.000Z

Any info on these yet ?

Jerommel · 2019-12-18T12:39:50.000Z

Wow, back to the old style?

The picture looks all yellow, but you can see the sides of the die, so there’s apparently no phosphor covering the whole thing.
Just seems the picture is all yellow (even the dome).
…or did they just adapt a picture of an XM-L2 ?

I hope they will use beefed up bond wires.
You can see in the tests that LEDs with bond wires increase in Vf when you push them hard.

Hopefully there will be an XP-G sized “new old style” one in the planning too !

Agro · 2019-12-18T12:53:32.000Z

Jerommel:

…or did they just adapt a picture of an XM-L2 ?

You’re right. :person_facepalming:

Jerommel · 2019-12-18T12:55:49.000Z

Ah…

Sari33 · 2020-01-30T07:20:30.000Z

any update?