3. I also vote to keep the existing compact design, use Anduril 2 and aux lights, but only work with 14500. Small triples like this make great pocket rockets … but not with AA. I don’t see internal charging being necessary.
Some additional suggestions:
The shiny anodizing of your prototype looks ok, but matte anodizing tends to look higher quality.
2-way clips are the “in” thing right now…. but they SUCK for actual use. The backbend gets caught on things when you try to deploy the light, the lack of lip makes it hard to use one-handed, and the entire clip sticks out too much. It is much more useful to have a one-way, low-profile, deep-carry clip.
This looks so much like the FW3A and FWAA lights that “we” designed here and Lumintop made. Is it the same design using a center tube to carry the tail switch signal to the driver or did you come up with something better?
I would love a 14500 with aux lights. Sign me up for Option 3.
I would like to see a better clip, though (captive! held by a ring between tail cap and body…it’s the best), and a finish/surface with a little grip. The way Hank does his KR4 bodies is quite nice but some sort of reeding or knurling would be better than a smooth matte surface.
Many people would probably like the same version in a single emitter, too, for a little more distance than what small triples with optics usually give.
I would vote no usb charging - to keep it simple and easier to repair or modify, reduce costs, and not add any length or bulk to the flashlight.
I like the compact design, it’s really small. If that means no AA compatibility, then so be it. There are other options for that in the Sofirn lineup (e.g. SP10) and this small size makes it stand out. Also vote against onboard charging.
Anduril 2 is nice (ramping) to have. But would it require a different microcontroller or is the one in the prototype already suitable for it? Aux LEDs is nice, but a bonus imho.
Is it possible to have a basic version and pro version at the same time? In any case, a pricetag of 16 USD for the basic version is hard to beat. That’s a guaranteed buy for me (with or without Anduril). Ideal as gifts as well.
Long story short, option 3.
Is some texturing possible? It looks indeed very slippery (as Boaz points out in the next post)
I don’t see any purpose of the thinner middle of the tube.
The triple head requires a certain diameter anyway, so this light could be much better with a tube for 18500 cells, which would double the capacity of a 14500 and/or allow more current (whatever you prefer).
This is what I was afraid of. I knew the SP10 Pro’s output was effected by the multi-chemistry Andúril driver and thought it could (and hoped it wouldn’t) be the case for the WK10 as well. I said if the additional of length is the only sacrifice to add AA compatibility, then I see no reason not to. But this type of light should be designed for maximum performance, and I am not willing to sacrifice performance for AA compatibility. For that reason, I change my vote to #3.
Also, a deep carry clip is a must. Single-direction is preferable but deep carry is almost a deal breaker for me. A light this small should be able to be carried fully within the pocket.
#1. No to the version with no AA compatible, and no built in charging, and No Anduril.
#2. Yes to AA Compatible. No onboard charging if AA compatible.
#3. Yes Anduril UI
#4. Yes onboard charging if 14500 only. No Single color Aux lights.
If there are Aux lights, they should be user selectable color.
No press fit clip, yes fully captive ring clip.
No dual function S clip.
Yes body can be flipped so captive single direction clip allows use on a hat.
This is an excellent clip design, that can be flipped:
note the clip only rests on the body… the clip does not need to be removed when changing to hat mode, just flip the whole body, leaving the clip installed.
14500 with aux LEDs and anduril 2. Really tough to beat anduril 2. I almost don't wanna buy any lights without it. Charging port is not a must nor is AA compatibility. Compact size, Anduril 2 UI, and aux LEDs would have me buying a couple.
With it being a triple please keep it 14500.
If this was a single reflector, I’d say make it dual compatibility with USB, but please remember however you make it there will always be complaints and haters
For a triple 14500 is best for performance.
USB-C would be nice, especially with an EDC that sees lots of use, thus could benefit from quick charges away from home. But the charge port shouldn’t add much to the size.
AUX: Multi-color preferrable as it allows determining battery voltage with a glance.
The shortness of the WK10 prototype is very promising! But personally not a big fan of the KR4-like curvature… would prefer the tube (and tailcap) to be as slim as possible. That would also help with making the flashlight lighter. Minimal size and weight are big factors with an EDC, at least to me.
The ring clip design by jon_slider above would be nice.
Any thoughts on the emitters? Will it be the usual LH351D? Or SST-20?
Nichia 519A seems to be all the rage right now and I don’t think a triple with those would be a bad seller…
First off I want to say thanks to you guys for listening to community feedback. I know I was quite vocal in the other thread about it and I do value the extra time and effort it takes.
My ranking for options would be: #3: Considering that you have said the 14500 performance of the light will be affected with 14500, I do not think the extra compatibility would be worth it in that case.
#2: This would still be a good option if you were making multiple versions of it.
#1: I think having a higher priced light running Anduril 2.0 would be much preferrable to a simpler UI. Anduril 2.0 is very customisable and is the best flashlight UI on the market IMO. I’m sure most people here would pay more for a light that is equipped with Anduril 2.0
#4: I do not think built in charging is worth it in a light of this size (and it would increase cost and complexity to do it well).
Some other general thoughts: Driver: I don’t know how possible it is at this stage, but a driver with a regulated, flat output would be fantastic and would really elevate this light into a must have. From my experience owning an FWAA, an efficient driver is preferable in a light of this size. The FWAA is inefficient with its FET+1 7315 driver and it has poor battery life at any level above the regulated 350mAh.
Clip: I think that a very important consideration for lights of this size. So many manufacturers get this wrong and it can really compromise with how well the light is carried day to day. The clip that is present on the prototype seems like the same clip present on the SP10V3 and SC21. It isn’t a very good design and I think a lot of people would pay more for a one way – deep carry clip. Ill post an image of one modified by reddit user grzybek337.
Finish: The finish of the light looks great; would it be possible to have colourful anodising like the recent releases of the HD15?
AUX Lights: This is a minor point, but would an RGB LED be possible to source? I find them extremely useful on my Anduril 2.0 lights as they can be used to quickly see battery voltage at a glance. I know I am asking a lot, but I do think that having the ability to change them would help to elevate the WK10 above its competitors.
Finally, I want to say thank you again for listening to community feedback. It is rare to be able to speak to manufacturers like this and I think it’s a fantastic thing!