What charger would you recommend for my needs?

Mishanchik · 2019-05-16T22:16:51.000Z

molitar:

Ok will order the Miboxer C4-12 then. Thanks for the advice.

Buy only new version - “Upgrade C4-12” with two yellow button!!!
Old version have frequent problem with springs, dying third slot, not support: 21700 protected, LiFePO4, Li 4.35

molitar · 2019-05-16T22:27:31.000Z

Mishanchik:

molitar:

Ok will order the Miboxer C4-12 then. Thanks for the advice.

Buy only new version - “Upgrade C4-12” with two yellow button!!!
Old version have frequent problem with springs, dying third slot, not support: 21700 protected, LiFePO4, Li 4.35

Ok got it. BTW what is the difference in the C4 v3 and the C4-12 they both look exactly the same. Are they the same but maybe just a different numbering for Amazon as on Amazon I only find the C4 v3.

Thanks

Mishanchik · 2019-05-16T22:32:31.000Z

https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/Miboxer-C4S-C4-C4-12-C8-Smart/32911743024.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.2f883c00BVEd2E

This is the only place where I found a new “Upgrade C4-12”

dekozn · 2019-05-16T22:35:39.000Z

Get a analyzing charger for yourself and a cheap trustable charger for your mother. I hardly use my opus cause it’s a big noisy block, I replaced it with gryfalcon 88 for just charging my cells. Even though the gryfalcon has 8bays as opposed to 4 it still looks smaller and makes a lot let noise then my opus. A Littokala can be bought pretty cheap depending on the amount of bays.

RobertB · 2019-05-16T22:47:56.000Z

Virisenox\_:

“Opus BT-C3100’:Opus BT-C3100 V2.2 IntelliSense Universal Batterie Ladegerät mit 4 Steckplätzen LCD Display Sale - Banggood Deutschland-arrival notice-arrival notice

It reads voltage and tests capacity and internal resistance. I don’t think it’ll fit 21700s though, and I don’t know if it can capacity test LiFePO4.

The Opus BT-C3100 fits unprotected 21700’s just fine

RobertB · 2019-05-16T22:50:52.000Z

BlueSwordM:

From the US?

As I’ve said before, the Folomov A4:
https://www.illumn.com/folomov-a4-intelligent-rapid-charger-li-ion-lifepo4-nimh-nicd-charger.html

Or the C4-12:
Amazon.com

Neither one of those is an analyzing charger

flydiver · 2019-05-17T01:16:06.000Z

You* REALLY* do want an analyzing charger. If you don’t now, you WILL later, I guarantee it.

There is no ‘perfect’ charger. Decide what is important, pick a charger and go on.

molitar · 2019-05-17T01:36:04.000Z

flydiver:

You* REALLY* do want an analyzing charger. If you don’t now, you WILL later, I guarantee it.

There is no ‘perfect’ charger. Decide what is important, pick a charger and go on.

What is the difference in an Analyzing charger? I thought they all did the same the C4-12 and Opus BT. But if that is not the case the only one that I see that qualifies in my price range, found in US would be the Opus BT-3100 V2.2 as I can get that on Amazon.

Pete7874 · 2019-05-17T01:31:49.000Z

molitar:

flydiver:

You* REALLY* do want an analyzing charger. If you don’t now, you WILL later, I guarantee it.

There is no ‘perfect’ charger. Decide what is important, pick a charger and go on.

What is the difference in an Analyzing charger? I thought they all did the same the C4-12 and Opus BT.

Analyzing charger can more accurately measure cell capacity
by using a discharge test.
Opus 3100 can do that. Miboxer c4-12 cannot.

flydiver · 2019-05-17T01:34:13.000Z

An analyzing charger will charge > discharge > the charge the battery and give you the capacity determined from DISCHARGE. This is the only accurate way to measure capacity.
Lii-500, Zanflare C4, and the Opus BT-C1000 are analyzing chargers.
The main advantage of the Opus is more control and options for charging and discharging. It has some ‘quirks’ that some people dislike. But, it IS more flexible, more powerful, and has more charging options.

A ‘charge only’ charger cannot do this.
The Miboxer C4-12 appears to be only a charger, but a good one. It’s fine if you don’t really want an analyzing charger. But I think you will.

BlueSwordM · 2019-05-17T01:38:23.000Z

See, the problem is that almost all analyzing chargers aren’t actually all that good.

They use resistor based dischargers, meaning current drawn goes down as voltage goes down, meaning capacity can easily be overread.

flydiver · 2019-05-17T01:50:37.000Z

BlueSwordM:

See, the problem is that almost all analyzing chargers aren’t actually all that good.

They use resistor based dischargers, meaning current drawn goes down as voltage goes down, meaning capacity can easily be overread.

Got a better SIMPLE/REPRODUCIBLE way? What other ways are there to discharge accurately?

I assume you mean, “not all that good” at discharging? The charging is NOT in question?

molitar · 2019-05-17T02:02:21.000Z

flydiver:

BlueSwordM:

See, the problem is that almost all analyzing chargers aren’t actually all that good.

They use resistor based dischargers, meaning current drawn goes down as voltage goes down, meaning capacity can easily be overread.

Got a better SIMPLE/REPRODUCIBLE way? What other ways are there to discharge accurately?

I assume you mean, “not all that good” at discharging? The charging is NOT in question?

That is a good question there. OK comparing the LiitoKala Lii-500 and the Opus BT 3100 v2.2 I have opted for the Opus and ordering it from Amazon. It is the same price as on BangGood but I get it delivered in 2 days Opus supports more types and the larger battery sizes so that will be the charger I order. I appreciate the advice and assistance and the explanation of what an Analyzer/Charger is.

BlueSwordM · 2019-05-17T01:57:43.000Z

No, charging isn’t in question. They charge fine.

Get something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-Battery-Capacity-Tester-Battery-Life-Internal-Resistance-Analyzer/263358206343

And a battery holder like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plastic-Battery-Holder-Storage-Box-Case-for-1x-2x-3x-4x-18650-Batteries-Wire/332855641026

These work quite well, and you can test capacity very accurately, along with internal resistance.

flydiver · 2019-05-17T02:31:26.000Z

? Looks like a resistor to me.
One * rating. Not encouraging.

BlueSwordM · 2019-05-17T02:38:10.000Z

Not a resistor.
Uses a linear FET to draw constant current.
It’s like an LED4Power driver, but wastes as much power as possible.

And don’t look at the review. I wouldn’t worry. Just lacks clear instructions.
Bought mine from the same seller.

Was easy to test internal resistance that way.

Right on spec! Actually, better than most 30Qs.

molitar · 2019-05-17T22:51:02.000Z

Ok my new Opus arrived today and I have Eneloop Pro Double AA batteries. These are brand new batteries so I want to verify them. Would I set mode to Test and just insert battery? Also should I change the current discharge rate from default 500mAh to say 700mAh and charge to something like 1000mAh? I’m a newb to an Analyzer charger.

flydiver · 2019-05-17T23:09:05.000Z

Be aware that one of the limitations of ALL the analyzing chargers is the limited ability to do high amp discharge, if you want to test for that. They use resistors, resistors get hot, so they have to shed the heat. Opus will give you a few more options than many of the others.

That said: pop them all in. Plug in. In a moment all bays will start blinking with [500] displayed. I’d leave it there for now. Press [Mode] until [charge test] come up. Leave it, it’ll stop blinking, and start working. Walk away, it’ll be done tomorrow.
It has to charge them up, then discharge-the part where you get the capacity-then charge back up. When finished you can hit [display] and it’ll cycle through the settings/results. You can hit [display] at any time to see what it is doing.

molitar · 2019-05-17T23:17:31.000Z

flydiver:

Be aware that one of the limitations of ALL the analyzing chargers is the limited ability to do high amp discharge, if you want to test for that. They use resistors, resistors get hot, so they have to shed the heat. Opus will give you a few more options than many of the others.

That said: pop them all in. Plug in. In a moment all bays will start blinking with [500] displayed. I’d leave it there for now. Press [Mode] until [charge test] come up. Leave it, it’ll stop blinking, and start working. Walk away, it’ll be done tomorrow.
It has to charge them up, then discharge-the part where you get the capacity-then charge back up. When finished you can hit [display] and it’ll cycle through the settings/results. You can hit [display] at any time to see what it is doing.

Ok great and thanks for the assist.

HelloHazel · 2019-05-18T09:17:17.000Z

molitar:

Ok MC3000 is out my mother is 82 years old and to press more then one button to start charging is too much… Especially if it’s so expensive and they have not improved on the UI or set default battery charging.

So focusing on the main 3 of my requirements the others were just a plus and not absolutely necessary.

LiitoKala Lii-500
Miboxer C8 or C4-12
Opus BT - C3100 V2.2
Xtar Dragon VP4 Plus

These are all chargers I can purchase in US either from BangGood or Amazon. I want to purchase from US either Amazon or a site that uses Paypal for payment. So if the MC3000 or Dragon did not exist what charger would you order that has the most of the features for the money?

you can purchase a XTAR Dragon VP4 Plus from ebay with Paypal