Wow. Another one bites the dust. lol! Unfortunately, heāll be back.
Likely. Forum mushrooms. They live a chitty lifestyle.
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Maybe a new forum smiley thingamajig
What have I missed Iāve been away for a few weeks.
I pride my self on being belligerent but I donāt feel the need the need to go online and talk trash. To who or for what reason are these people trying to prove a point? I donāt agree with most things and most things make me angry ( yes Iām grumpy) but I just I deal with it with out being a goof usually. Actually scratch that the other day I Thru a Pan outside because who ever used it didnāt clean it after I cleaned up lol. One of my brothers made a mess every time some one makes a mess i restrain my self some what lol.
People who join blf need to learn to restrain there fingers!
Thanks again SB :+1:
Thanks. I should have realized that. lol
Another one bit the dust
I think maybe itās about time this thread got a bump. Iām not going to mention any threads or names, Iāll just hope people read the OP.
I think maybe itās about time this thread got a bump. Iām not going to mention any threads or names, Iāll just hope people read the OP.
+1
Too many petty arguments in some threads at the moment. Takes away from what would otherwise be an interesting, helpful and friendly discussion.
Sometimes ignoring trolls is effective, because they can get bored and leave. But in practice, it seems like that frequently doesnāt work. Usually at least one or two people will respond, and then things escalate. The troll gets exactly what they wanted. But even when ignored, the lack of any consequences often just lets them know their behavior will be tolerated, so they keep doing it.
So we have a rude/report button. It helps direct admin attention to problems, without the loud and distracting escalation which occurs with a direct confrontation. It seems like this probably doesnāt get used enough though, because BLF sometimes has people willfully causing trouble for months or even years before they get removed.
Anyway, Iāve been thinking about the rules and cultural norms here a lot latelyā¦ and Iām not sure the current approach is optimal. I think there may be some subtle issues involved.
The emphasis on not responding to bad behavior makes silence the default and encouraged response. But usually when there are problems (not just here but in any part of life), saying nothing is not the answer.
In general, most people are pretty nice. They try to behave and contribute, and feel bad about reporting anyoneā¦ so it usually takes exceptionally bad behavior to get reported. They might be okay with asking the person to stop, but we have a cultural norm here to not do that. So instead of doing any of those things, the nice people just ā¦ donāt show up as often. Sometimes they leave entirely. And thatās a loss for all of us.
Avoiding conflict is a very different thing than resolving conflict. Avoiding it makes things more peaceful for those who arenāt involved, but typically allows problems to continue. Resolving it tends to be louder, but also faster and more effective. Pushing back even a little can make some people explode, which passes the threshold for what others are willing to report, and they get booted sooner rather than later.
Perhaps we shouldnāt be silent by default. Not responding may be more peaceful in the short term, but it can have big long-term consequences.
Tell you one thing:
If I knew I was going to be attacked by several people, I would not have confronted the person that should have been confronted.
I would have just left it to Mr. Admin, like I usually do.
TK, I agree that resolving conflict, even if it seems to be escalating the situation at first, is almost always better than simply ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away. But like you said, we have a culture of de-escalation at any cost. And I think it has lost us some very valuable members. Surely, some of the members who are no longer showing up have other reasons. But I guess we wonāt know how many left in a huff because of trollish behavior being allowed to grow unchecked by people who thought they were doing what is right and ignoring bad behavior. I find it can be a tough call at times, because part of being a āfriendlyā forum is certainly to have grace for each other to an extent. Knowing when really is the right time to do something, and what that something should be, can be hard to nail down.
You do seem to be a little high strung at times though RC, taking things too personally.
Just a thought.
I find myself writing out strong replies sometimes but then donāt post as it would be very contrary to the current rules.
I agree that the silent treatment is not the best way in dealing with, but speaking up also leads to more conflict as some people are real bronsons behind a screen so nobody backs down and the argument continues on the forum when it would be very different in a face to face situation. People forget that.
You donāt want a ruff highlander letting loose a tirade on ya unrestricted, thatās for sure.
So I usually just watchā¦
Personally, I donāt mind the little conflicts we see from time to time, the forum is for entertainment purposes.
Often there is more chat here about non flashlight related topics, which I do find odd but anywayā¦
Trolls, some of the trolls are funny, (sometimes) so long as it doesnāt go too far but thatās just me and we do get the odd moon biscuit from time to time.
They must be destroyed
People are people, weāre never all going to be sitting around holding hands singing Kumbaya and thatās okay.
You all do live on Earth right?
Sometimes I canāt tellā¦
But we do have to live together.
Longer estsblished members, there could be more grace involved in peoples thought processes, if someone points out that one is doing something that annoys another then instead of an immediate emotional outburst, a little contemplation on the why of the matter would be far more appropriate before a response is compiled and sent.
Remember, youāre always right, as long as you agree with me
Chill out and be excellent to each other, Iām away back to my caveā¦
Well the admin says he wants trolls ignored, so thatās non-negotiable.
The main wisdom in this is also aimed at the judge. What I mean is if you judge someone a troll, you are probably too triggered to respond within the rules of the forum.
I think the labeling of people is just as big of a problem. Letās do less of that.
These particular individuals, unruly guests, puppies, trolls? We have to call them something!
Not so much labeling people as their actions on the forum, anyway the Admin judged to label them that so itās non-negotiable
I think Joshk is referring to not calling out specific users as ātrollsā. And thatās the point, whatever you want to call them, it only gets them more riled when users are labeled in public as troublemakers. I can and do moderate situations with problem users, and banning is definitely a distinct possibility for many of them. But I depend on PM tips to be alerted when trouble arises. So please report potential ātrollsā (or āpuppiesā, as CRX says ) to me via PM, and not in public.
I think the labeling of people is just as big of a problem. Letās do less of that.
People often live up to the expectations others set for themā¦ For better or for worse.
Labels can exacerbate an already tense situation. I think itās more effective to address the unwanted behaviour directly.
I think Joshk is referring to not calling out specific users as ātrollsā. And thatās the point, whatever you want to call them, it only gets them more riled when users are labeled in public as troublemakers.
Yes, I meant itās the calling out thatās the part of the problem. Some users have assigned themselves the roll of ātroll hunterā and call them out publicly. Which in itself hurts feelings.
Some users have assigned themselves the roll of ātroll hunterā and call them out publicly.
Yeah, these āforum policeā sometimes they kind of go overboard or overbearing with the role, inevitably starting a fire themselves.