Massive fraud on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress stores!

deleted-200707 · June 24, 2018, 1:11am

and they even include gloves so you don’t gouge yourself while prying them out. :money_mouth_face:

BlueSwordM · June 24, 2018, 1:17am

Ok wut. I just noticed! Damn.

I should order a second, and sell them for a 20% profit.

ImA4Wheelr · June 24, 2018, 3:19am

CNCman:

ImA4Wheelr:

Measured a several cells of each in the Q8 mentioned above. My some what aged and warn authentic 30Q cells pushed 21 amps and drifted to 20 amps at 30 seconds. The LFS 30Q measured 18 amps at start up and then drifted down to 16 amps. Lumens measured the differently too. On average, the real 30Q's had Lux started around 9.6K lux and drifted down to around 8.6K lux at 30 seconds. The LFS cells stared around 8.6K lux and drifted down to 7.6K lux. It's clear to me that the chemistry in these cells are not authentic 30Q.

Both the authentic and LFS cells were warm after each test.

THANK YOU " ImA4Wheelr " for that test Next time a battery sale occurs and the price looks too good to be true, it’s very possible get Bamboozled. Spend a few dollars more from reputable suppliers and you cannot go wrong. Next time I try to warn others about possibly getting Bamboozled and another member here attempts to quieten me, I will not be silent.

Thanks for the advice, but I will pass. I enjoy taking part in some of these "too good to be true deals". Not trying to stop you from giving obvious advice to folks. It might save some newbies from making a mistake. But for the vast majority of us, we know exactly what we are doing and enjoy the wins and losses. This case is definitely not a loss no matter which way AE rules.

Nachtfeuerzeug · June 24, 2018, 3:46am

I have a dispute in progress and previously mentioned the comment from seller about false pictures for evidence (like others here) so I doubled down and found I could add 1 more photo making for a total of four.

I then sent a message, presumably to the seller. Lin Zhang answered and I had just asked who the manufacturer of the batts are. One name was the response: Liitokala.

I haven't read every post in the forum but I'm a little confused what Liitokala is... an original manufacturer name (relatively new), a reseller, in this case for batteries, a rewrapper?

Thanks for a clarification.

Barkuti · June 24, 2018, 6:47am

CONTACT US-Liitokala 官网 site

As far as my wisdom goes LiitoKala doesn't manufacture batteries/cells, they just rewrap. Thus, the “DongGuan battery factory” isn't a real battery factory but just a rewrapping center of some sort plus God knows what else, because their contact there “ZhangNi” is by no means this girl found depicted in their liitokala Official Store (link to this store can be found in their site at the bottom left LiitoKala® banner):

It seems this people needs a nice deal of speaking truth ethics. Their lies and slip-ups are blatantly noticed from this side of the Great Firewall. Their particular beliefs in these matters need a good fix.

Cheers ^:)

Nicolicous · June 24, 2018, 7:26am

Dayaaammm

Look at that blonde chick :disguised_face:

Nachtfeuerzeug · June 24, 2018, 9:09am

Her name is actually Elsa! Lol

Nachtfeuerzeug · June 24, 2018, 9:15am

Señor Barkuti, Gracias! Falta piles originales!

CJ_Avlis · June 25, 2018, 9:27am

Full refund from PayPal.

Speed4goal · June 25, 2018, 9:46am

And you got the keep the cells. So not bad all in all. It sucks to not get 30qs but from the rough test I’ve seen they are worth 2.50 a cell. Would be good for powerbanks. Or lights around 5 or 6 amps. Definitely usable.

Agro · June 25, 2018, 9:49am

Good. Aliexpress steps in to my dispute today. Can’t wait…

Barkuti · June 25, 2018, 10:11am

I wouldn't say Elsa is blonde, that or she dyed her eyebrows and eyelashes of course.

Cheers :-)

JordanZHP · June 25, 2018, 3:30pm

Should I dispute the purchase through AliExpress or through paypal?

Nachtfeuerzeug · June 25, 2018, 3:43pm

No one answer. They're reading these posts too! Shhhh. PM each other. ;)

Agro · June 26, 2018, 10:19am

I got Aliexpress judgement:

They agreed with me that the cells are counterfeit
They didn’t accept my evidence that IR is higher because they wanted a movie instead of photos
They proposed a resolution: full refund
They asked both me and seller to accept or reject the proposal

So it’s still open.

manithree · June 27, 2018, 3:43am

Well, I’m done with liitokala. I ordered a 26650 on 1 Jan, and they’ve repeatedly told me that it’s almost here, in spite of the fact that the tracking number was bogus. I finally demanded a refund, and now they’re just shovelling all this crap at me in messages on aliexpress about how they’ve proved to me that I received the package (they haven’t) and we’ve talked on the phone (we haven’t).

This was the Official Store (217753). I’m never ordering anything from any Liitokala store on aliexpress again. I can overlook selling new batteries as 30Qs, even if they don’t look exactly like them, but have pretty similar capacity and max current. That might not even be the store’s fault. But when their customer service (Ashley Zhang) thinks I have no capacity to tell her lies from the truth, I’m done. With the whole brand. When my Lii-500s need replacing, I’m not buying Liitokala chargers.

Buyer beware.

Nachtfeuerzeug · June 27, 2018, 4:07am

Send Richard 'RMM' (Mountain Electronics) your address. I'll contact him to order one of these for you:

http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_108&product_id=679

I don't need your info. This one is on me.

manithree · June 27, 2018, 4:28am

Thank you. I appreciate the offer, but I gave up on getting the Liitokala battery months ago and bought one from either mtn or liionwholesale.

I’m less annoyed about losing $6 or a battery than I am about the horrible “customer service”.

Nachtfeuerzeug · June 27, 2018, 5:18am

They're on my black list too. Thank you for relaying your experience and great to hear you got the batteries you needed!

TheAuditor · June 27, 2018, 5:47pm

WalkIntoTheLight:

Yohan110:

I purchased a 4 pack of 30q’s from the Liitokala Factory Store. What is the best way to test if they are legit when they arrive?

First, check the physical characteristics of the can, wrapping, code, and contacts. You can search to see what they should be, or compare them against a known legit cell.

Then, check the capacity (should be around 2900mAh). Then charge it up and make sure it holds voltage with a drop of no more than 0.002v per day (after the first day).

Then, make sure it’s high drain. If you have a BLF Q8, you can run it off a single cell. Even a flat top will work in the Q8, but be careful when tightening. You should get about 2500 lumen output from a single 30Q. Or at least try it in another high-drain light to make sure it behaves as expected.

After all that, it could still be fake. But, there are more expensive cells than a 30Q to fake, so it’s unlikely a 30Q fake would be so “good” as to pass the above tests.

So I did all this with mine and they all work. They must be a pretty high current cell to run a Q8 on one cell. I’m not feeling quite so bad about it now.