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When will this be released?
Soon. No dates have been set.

You say that so confidently. Soon.

Please explain your sources of information, or connection with the project. I am intrigued.

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The OP says: FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight.
If we are going to hijack this object under construction, at least we should check things with TLF.
The TLF member called Tommy in the OP, is he still around?

Let us at least test first what the “temperature of the water” is over there.
Don’t copy the the does and don’ts of BLF onto TLF. TLF has it’s own rules and customs.
They have at least one annual meeting where members try to throw some light on the dark side of the moon.
So they meet face to face. Maybe one of them can say anything about the state (of mind) of Fritz15.

Please do keep in mind that in this forum also members suddenly go MIA.
Because they re-arrange their priorities, lose their jobs, get into accidents, fate strikes, et cetera.
Sometimes the best way to change things for yourself is to go cold turkey. To close all doors behind you.

I always think long and hard before I say something really stupid.

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I do hope the FW3A does come together, I can honestly say the electronic tail switch is a joy to use on this form factor.
My personal version which has now morphed into a rather dense full copper & carbon fibre construct and was made without even access to a lathe has been used with pleasure every day since birth.

I hope you all get yours too, eventually Thumbs Up

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I checked over at TLF, Cawi hasn’t signed in there in 12 weeks 3 days. Fritz’s profile doesn’t say his last login. Our designers are MIA!

okay that is indeed a bit strange then, lets hope not more delays otherwise we would like an explanation is the light gonna get released our not, better be honest and come clean if so..

silence this long is never really a good sign is it, but im gonna stay positive for a little while more if not i will withdraw my interest then if things doesnt move.

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Maybe he doesn’t care anymore, since the latest prototypes look quite different from his initial concept.

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Jerommel wrote:
Maybe he doesn’t care anymore, since the latest prototypes look quite different from his initial concept.

+1

CRX I hope the edges were smooth when you gave birth to yours.

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Jerommel wrote:
Maybe he doesn’t care anymore, since the latest prototypes look quite different from his initial concept.

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To put an end to the tapered body discussion Wink

The reasoning behind it is indeed to make it easier to use the clip. Having the light I built and the prototype made by LT I can directly compare those two. And the clip of the version with the tapered body is definitely nicer to use compared to the sharp edges. Clipping it in the pocket is much smoother – or rather removing the clipped in light is much smoother with the tapered edge.

Additionally, I can confirm it is still my design. That’s the reason why the the chamfers have a different angle rather than the same Big Smile I like the design like it is now but I am sorry that those design changes ruined the light for some people!

To summarise, putting angles to the body had a practical reason and since it did (in our opinion) not take away from the overall design we didn’t see a reason not to do it.

Finally, I want to add that I think the pictures we currently have from this prototype are a little unflattering and do not represent the design that well. For example this picture of the first prototype looks fairly weird and makes the tailcap look huge while this picture from toykeeper the proportions much nicer and makes the light look much better. So don’t worry too much for now!

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chadvone wrote:
Jerommel wrote:
Maybe he doesn’t care anymore, since the latest prototypes look quite different from his initial concept.

+1

CRX I hope the edges were smooth when you gave birth to yours.


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Tom Tom wrote:
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When will this be released?
Soon. No dates have been set.

You say that so confidently. Soon.

Please explain your sources of information, or connection with the project. I am intrigued.


There is no mystery. All the info is from this thread. We just need to read it.

I understand that not everyone has the time to read the thread, so I try to answer these repetitive type questions when I have time.

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Yourrid wrote:
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Fritz15 hasn’t logged on in 6 weeks
Cawi hasn’t logged on in 7 weeks

How can we bypass them and get someone else to take over?

what do u mean, fritz is the guy who is doing this light no, why should someone else take over his work ?

Fritz15 did start this, but this project has been pretty much on hold waiting for him to give the “OK” since he received the second prototype back on JUNE 8, 2018. He hasn’t posted in this thread since JUNE 30, 2018. However, he does log in every few months, but never comments, doesn’t update, and very rarely responds to PM’s. Last I heard we were waiting for him to determine what needs to be fixed with the second prototype.

Cawi was supposed to get a second prototype as well, and he last posted AUGUST 20, 2018. I believe we have been waiting on his input for the second prototype as well.

It sounds like ToyKepper and maybe another member (teacher?) pepinfaxera are the only ones keeping track of the thread and the sign-up list. I’d be happy to “mutiny” and appoint TK as Captain (if she is willing of course) LOL

@ Yourrid … Nice recap… Thumbs Up
And I totally agree that without ToyKeeper we would be clueless as to what is going on with this light. She has kept us updated as best she can with the limited updates she gets.
I think a name change to fGW3A-TK would be apropiate as it would tell the story of TK for the save. Wink

And while I appreciate the ‘shout out’, it is not deserved. Yes, I have read ever post & do keep up with the thread.

But it is pepinfaxera that deserves the credit. . Thumbs Up

pepinfaxera has tirelessly kept up with & updated the list. His work has been stellar in every way!!

So a big THANK YOU to pepinfaxera!! . Beer

And a huge THANK YOU to ToyKeeper also!! . Beer . Beer

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Jerommel wrote:
Maybe he doesn’t care anymore, since the latest prototypes look quite different from his initial concept.

+1
Fritz got exactly what he wanted; a one of a kind mini triple. Why go any further? Tired

I understand people’s lives change drastically, even overnight. But for 2 separate users to vanish, yet log in every other month without a word to anyone; seems odd.

It just rubs me wrong when I see 60+ new posts on this thread and I think “Fritz finally came back and gave the OK.” Instead its more people signing up and more speculation Crying

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fritz15 wrote:
To put an end to the tapered body discussion Wink

The reasoning behind it is indeed to make it easier to use the clip. Having the light I built and the prototype made by LT I can directly compare those two. And the clip of the version with the tapered body is definitely nicer to use compared to the sharp edges. Clipping it in the pocket is much smoother – or rather removing the clipped in light is much smoother with the tapered edge.

Additionally, I can confirm it is still my design. That’s the reason why the the chamfers have a different angle rather than the same Big SmileI like the design like it is now but I am sorry that those design changes ruined the light for some people!

To summarise, putting angles to the body had a practical reason and since it did (in our opinion) not take away from the overall design we didn’t see a reason not to do it.

Finally, I want to add that I think the pictures we currently have from this prototype are a little unflattering and do not represent the design that well. For example this picture of the first prototype looks fairly weird and makes the tailcap look huge while this picture from toykeeper the proportions much nicer and makes the light look much better. So don’t worry too much for now!

Well, according to fritz15 himself; on 2 June 2018 he was perfectly fine with the ‘tapered design’ and in fact stated “he liked it”.

So unless he has a post that supersedes the 2 June post, that is all we know.
Fritz said “he liked it”.

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Certainly, there are a lot of signs that make one wonder what is going on, why, and how, or if, this will eventually work out. I can’t imagine, though, after all this time, it will just fade away. I hope I’m not wrong.

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Yourrid wrote:

Fritz got exactly what he wanted; a one of a kind mini triple. Why go any further? Tired

This theory has already been said multiple times. Each time, the user had to be reminded that Fritz has his own lathe and can make whatever flashlight he wants. He does not need a big company to make a one-off light just for him.

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But some of us do.

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I can’t speak for everyone, but my handraise for this project has cost me absolutely nothing. Sure, I wish I’d had it in Q4 of last year, but I’ve neither put money down nor had to go without keeping the funds ready.

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idleprocess wrote:
I can’t speak for everyone, but my handraise for this project has cost me absolutely nothing. Sure, I wish I’d had it in Q4 of last year, but I’ve neither put money down nor had to go without keeping the funds ready.
+1 . Well stated… I like it. Smile

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I got no idea how to load pictures here Facepalm


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Its weird not to write anything since june last year… Fritz where are u ????

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Its weird not to write anything since june last year… Fritz where are u ????
Not the exact word I would use, but I do not disagree with your opinion.

This is my opinion, and what I am going to say applies to anyone in any situation… myself included.

When people are depending on you & your input about something, so that it may come to completion… there is absolutely no excuse on earth to just ‘disappear & go totally silent’ unless you are dead, totally incapacited (physically or mentally), or lost in a remote wilderness area. No excuse at all.

It makes no difference if life happens, you lose interest, you get mad, whatever.

It takes about a minute or two to make a short post (in the case of BLF) or send an email saying you quit & pass the torch on to someone else.

We have seen that happen in the case of the BLF GT where the lead person just vanished at a critical time in the project. Thankfully Texas_Ace picked up the torch & straightened out the mess that project was left in…. seeing it through to completion. Without TA & JasonWW, who tirelessly answered an untold number of questions… over & over & over & over; the BLF GT project might well have been a disaster.

And with this project the same thing has happened to some degree. The keeper of the list disappeared first & the designer next. Toykeeper has taken up the torch as best she can to keep this project on track…. which I can only imagine is totally frustrating to her as she receives little info to even give us updates about. Facepalm
And pepinfaxa graciously took on the task of straightening out & keeping the list.
If they had not done what they have done… who knows where this project would be?? Facepalm

Anyway…. except for fhe reasons mentioned above there is no excuse to not at least say “I quit”. To not do so is rude, crude, & socially unacceptable….. no matter who the person or what the situation.

This is my opinion….. yours may vary. . Thumbs Up

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Is the “team” section oft the first post still up-to-date? The one with the persons involved and their role in the project.

I am fairly new to the TLF and BLF but I guess I could relay some messages if the persons involved in the production/design over here would want that.

I will ask in the TLF thread about the whereabouts of Fritz/Cawi in the meantime as I am interested on their perspective.

Edit: In the second thread for preordering on TLF I read that ToyKeeper contacted Bluzie from the TLF (Admin and part of TLF forum’s team) – so I guess my help as a message broker isn’t needed after all Big Smile

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Priceless KB…. Big Smile

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teacher wrote:
This is my opinion….. yours may vary. . Thumbs Up

My opinion is that the FW3A is still a very nice flashlight and I’m still in for 4 of them, and that’s it. Wink
Many thanks to Fritz and other people involved in designing it, even if it will never go into production, at least it was an interesting project to follow.
One thing that can be put to the credit to Fritz is to have initiate a project that generates so many interests till now.
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To me, it shows that there is a pretty strong perceived need to have a very small and powerful light with top tier UI and emitter choices.

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Tally-ho wrote:
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This is my opinion….. yours may vary. . Thumbs Up
My opinion is that the FW3A is still a very nice flashlight and I’m still in for 4 of them, and that’s it. Wink
I totally agree, it is a very nice & well thought out light and I am certainly still in for the four or five I’m on the list for…. but it still has to make it to the finish line. Otherwise all the neat design & great hype it deserved were an exercise of futility. Smile

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To me, it shows that there is a pretty strong perceived need to have a very small and powerful light with top tier UI and emitter choices.

yes i agree, its just sad that the project is hanging lose when the makers of light are gone missing and not updating Sad

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This thread reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode.

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