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I had forgotten about that particular Olight. They accidentally made a model once which would trigger the switch sensor when the LED was aimed at something bright. So taking the light out during the daytime would cause it to turn on.

If I recall correctly, they didn’t make that mistake twice. Silly

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Hey TK. I have a question. Not sure if I should ask it here or in the E-switch thread but here it goes.

Can this light be locked out by twisting the head?

And is there a dual switch version of Anduril that will allow it come on in mode memory??

Basically be able to function as a single speed twisty?

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Can this light be locked out by twisting the head?

And is there a dual switch version of Anduril that will allow it come on in mode memory??

Basically be able to function as a single speed twisty?

The FW3A doesn’t really have physical lock-out. It needs to be unscrewed pretty far to break electrical contact. However, switch contact is only there when it’s fully tightened.

Anduril has a compile-time option to start at the memorized level when power is connected, for use on lights with a side e-switch and a tail clicky switch. This could also be used on something like an Emisar D4 though, by loosening the tailcap.

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That’s interesting. My D4 breaks connection with the head also. I have been looking for an e switch light that doesn’t need lock out. Something safe for your pocket. This would at least make it a twisty. I don’t like to twisty and then click. For those short few second jobs.

Have you had the fw3a come on in your pocket?

Thank you.

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My BOSS 70 is my second most used light and I would very much disagree that the optical programming is not practical. It makes the initial programming much easier than, for example, an H17F …

This is very true. It’s especially cool how people can save a GIF or a video on their phone in order to reconfigure the light. It’s like having bookmarks for favorite configurations.

OTOH, the H17F is a good example of how not to design a configuration interface. It’s better than HiveLD, but that’s not saying much.

Instead of requiring detailed configuration and a lengthy programming manual, it’s often preferable to design away the need for most of those options… and then, for the few who really want to get into detail, open the floodgates all the way by making the source code open and relatively easy to edit and flash. Cover the majority’s needs with a few simple options, and give full unrestricted freedom to people who want it. Allow choice, to whatever level of detail is desired… but don’t inflict choice on those who don’t want it.

At least, that’s what I try to do. I don’t always succeed though.


I do actually like the H17F. It may be a pain to work with, but I can at least get it set up in a way that I like and leave it there. I pretty much won’t buy a multimode light unless I can set each mode, as I like my modes more biased to the lower end than factory defaults usually go.

On the other hand, I agree that the end game in UI development is not needing to program individual modes. Anduril does a very good job of “just working” for almost everyone right out of the box. Control rings like HDS Rotary or V11R are also excellent options.

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chadvone wrote:
That’s interesting. My D4 breaks connection with the head also. I have been looking for an e switch light that doesn’t need lock out. Something safe for your pocket. This would at least make it a twisty. I don’t like to twisty and then click. For those short few second jobs.

Have you had the fw3a come on in your pocket?

Thank you.


Something interesting about Anduril:

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A few other modes are available by clicking even more times from off:

4 clicks: Soft lockout. Light won’t turn on until it’s unlocked. This mode doubles as a momentary moon mode, so when the button is held down it’ll light up at the current ramp floor. This is handy for checking something quickly without having to unlock the light.

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chadvone wrote:
I don’t like to twisty and then click. For those short few second jobs.

Have you had the fw3a come on in your pocket?

No… but I don’t have pockets.

However, the tail button helps a lot for avoiding accidental activation. And the momentary function of lockout mode is designed specifically for “those short few second jobs”.

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On another note, I finally wrote a user manual for Anduril. This is only a first draft, but I hope it makes sense.

It’s a bit long, so I’m not sure if it will fit well onto paper. There’s a lot to cover though, so even this version is still pretty terse.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
On another note, I finally wrote a user manual for Anduril. This is only a first draft, but I hope it makes sense.

It’s a bit long, so I’m not sure if it will fit well onto paper. There’s a lot to cover though, so even this version is still pretty terse.

finally

Toykeeper, you have mail Smile

Edit: You think it is long? Then don’t open the PDF

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ToyKeeper wrote:
On another note, I finally wrote a user manual for Anduril. This is only a first draft, but I hope it makes sense.

It’s a bit long, so I’m not sure if it will fit well onto paper. There’s a lot to cover though, so even this version is still pretty terse.

Looks good! I finally got round to playing with Anduril last night and figured most of it out from looking at the diagram and reading anduril.txt. I got stuck in muggle mode for a while because I thought I was in momentary mode but that’s definitely user error Facepalm . The only things I would’ve added are brief explanations and default/min/max values, which you’ve done! Thumbs Up

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ToyKeeper wrote:
On another note, I finally wrote a user manual for Anduril. This is only a first draft, but I hope it makes sense.

It’s a bit long, so I’m not sure if it will fit well onto paper. There’s a lot to cover though, so even this version is still pretty terse.


This part might be a bit confusing.

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For smooth ramping mode, there are two menu options:

1. Floor. (default = 1/150)

2. Ceiling. (default = 120/150)

At first I thought you could set the Floor between 1 and 150.

Then the Ceiling was only settable between 120 and 150.

But that’s not right at all. 1/150 means 1 OF 150, not 1 TO 150.

So the Ceiling can be any of 150 steps, but the default just happens to be at 120.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
On another note, I finally wrote a user manual for Anduril. This is only a first draft, but I hope it makes sense. It's a bit long, so I'm not sure if it will fit well onto paper. There's a lot to cover though, so even this version is still pretty terse.

Thank you! Do you mind if I translate it into German? I'm not sure if joechina is already up to creating something comparable (printable pdf in a nice layout).

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I would like a second light as well to give to a friend at work. Please add another light for me.
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The last prototype looks amazing in grey.

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Therein lies the problem though Jason, she DID state default was set at 1/150, so any REASONABLY intelligent individual would see that the term default showed 1 out of a possible 150 steps, so how do you idiot proof for all the different idiots? I know my own idiocy can, many times, be quite different from the normal… just saying. Once you start configuring the light it becomes pretty evident.

And with this adjustability it becomes easy to set the momentary in lockout to whatever level suits your fancy. It is also easy to set the stepped mode for however many levels one wants, one or three or whatever. So it can suit the needs of a lot of different appetites.

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Stepped mode can’t be configured for one mode. See here but you could probably set the ramp min and max values to the same level and effectively have a 1 mode light.

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As to optical sensing….
Oveready Boss / Lux-RC use this feature to accomplish more than programming.

When the light accidentally activates, it’s usually in a confined space (i.e. pocket) and that space reflects a lot of light back towards the head. They sense this light and act upon this knowledge ( I don’t remember how, but I remember they do it wrong Silly ).

Anyway, it’s the best solution to the problems with accidental activation that I’ve seen.

Now….would it be possible to port it to FW3A?
I don’t think so, you can’t drive a LED and make it sense at the same time. It works on Lux-RC because they have an auxiliary LED that they use as a sensor.
But we have more and more lights which feature aux LEDs as well…

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Can we just stick with programming pins + USB for the foreseeable future? We aren’t going to make a Lux-RC clone with $0 budget at a random Chinese factory

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And I’m wondering what the people that want it all would be willing to pay ToyKeeper to write it up… so far it’s a VERY meager salary!

Thank you again ToyKeeper for all that you do.

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DB Custom wrote:
And I’m wondering what the people that want it all would be willing to pay ToyKeeper to write it up… so far it’s a VERY meager salary!

Thank you again ToyKeeper for all that you do.

I bet that question puts things in perspective. Big Smile Big Smile

It’s kinda interesting to read about, but in the ‘real world’ how many people would even use the features that have been mentioned??

I’m thinking, in the big scheme of things; not very many.

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Agro wrote:
As to optical sensing….

Most of this was addressed about a page ago: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1441217#comment-1441217

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Anyway, it’s the best solution to the problems with accidental activation that I’ve seen.

OTOH, I’ve heard it’s difficult to configure the sensitivity in a way which doesn’t get false positives or false negatives. I’ve heard the reflection sensor has a tendency to either fail to detect reflections from dark surfaces, which are the most likely to start fires… or a tendency to trigger itself when it shouldn’t. It’s neat, but due to the light-absorbing and heat-absorbing properties of black matte materials, the types of surfaces it really needs to respond to are exactly the ones it has difficulty with.

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I believe that he was asking …

It seems not everyone recognized the presence of a joke.

A while back, I taught a flashlight how to see, how to receive information from a computer screen using its own built-in LEDs as a sensor. And in my excitement, I asked DEL to add the requisite connections for this on the FW3A driver since it had an unused pin. And he did.

But in the process of developing a working proof of concept, I discovered that the concept is not actually very useful or practical. It’s about as useful as putting a sun roof on a motorcycle. Transferring data that way is slow, awkward, fragile, complicated, high-risk, low-reward, and did I mention slow? It’d take hours to transfer an entire ROM, and could quite easily brick itself. It didn’t seem worth the cost in terms of ROM bytes and development time. So I kinda abandoned the idea.

The optic nerve is still there in case anyone wants to use it, but the Lux-RC (Boss) optical programming thing isn’t really a practical feature; it’s more of a novelty or a way to entertain the user.

How about using your optical programming thing with a phone app?

Make an app that lets you customize a few options in your driver. What you want your ramp settings at or shortcuts. Minimal things like that.

Then you could use your optical sensor as a way to get these inputs from the phone to the light. As long as the amount of data being transferred is mininal the slow data-transfer speed shouldn’t be an issue.

I think that is exactly what the Oveready Boss does.

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The only things I would’ve added are brief explanations and default/min/max values, which you’ve done! Thumbs Up

I’m not sure the default values really fit in a generic manual though, since they are different for each model of flashlight. A lot of options really depend on which light it’s being used on. So I mostly tried to write it in a way which can be copy/pasted into the middle of a printed user manual with only minimal need for editing.

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As to optical sensing….

Most of this was addressed about a page ago: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1441217#comment-1441217

Agro wrote:
Anyway, it’s the best solution to the problems with accidental activation that I’ve seen.

OTOH, I’ve heard it’s difficult to configure the sensitivity in a way which doesn’t get false positives or false negatives. I’ve heard the reflection sensor has a tendency to either fail to detect reflections from dark surfaces, which are the most likely to start fires… or a tendency to trigger itself when it shouldn’t. It’s neat, but due to the light-absorbing and heat-absorbing properties of black matte materials, the types of surfaces it really needs to respond to are exactly the ones it has difficulty with.


That’s the first report of how it works in practice that I’ve seen. Thank you.
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And I’m wondering what the people that want it all would be willing to pay ToyKeeper to write it up… so far it’s a VERY meager salary!

Thank you again ToyKeeper for all that you do.

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I’m interested. Looks great!

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I am in for 1 please! Reading back through I didnt see my name on the list. My wife is gonna throw me out of the house soon, also waiting on a Convoy L6 and an Emisar D1s……. Really debating the D1s since I keep hoping Hank will do a 26650 or 27700 version like with the D4s….

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I am in for 1 please! Reading back through I didnt see my name on the list.

Please don’t repeat your request for 1 light. It makes things confusing. You’ve only just asked, give it at least a week before looking for your name on the list. Thanks.

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I’m not sure the default values really fit in a generic manual though, since they are different for each model of flashlight. A lot of options really depend on which light it’s being used on. So I mostly tried to write it in a way which can be copy/pasted into the middle of a printed user manual with only minimal need for editing.

Maybe not for the graphic, I was thinking mainly of anduril.txt for stock Anduril. I guess this has now been deprecated in favour of anduril-manual.txt?

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