It would seem HID is dead.

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That’s a beamshot of the Maxabeam from DM51 over on CPF. It’s one of the nicest beamshots I have ever seen.
Because of the pictures age (~2008) it’s probably a Gen2 Maxabem with 3-6Mcp depending on the used bulb. The current Gen3 Maxabeam does 12Mcp. It also seems like the bulb isn’t positioned perfectly in the reflector (beam and spot are a bit fuzzy).

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Hey Driver!

Yes this is surely a monster thrower. Like your LED version of Maxabeam here

But I have to admit that I would like to see some monster emitter in your edition and sacrifice throw a bit Smile

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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the BLF Giga Thrower really should be using HID instead of LED?

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luminarium iaculator wrote:
Hey Driver!

Yes this is surely a monster thrower. Like your LED version of Maxabeam here

But I have to admit that I would like to see some monster emitter in your edition and sacrifice throw a bit Smile

Only, when the luminance is the same or higher ;).
I am getting a BLF GT for bigger emitters (it has more batteries).

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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the BLF Giga Thrower really should be using HID instead of LED?

Not possible at this price point. Also only a standard car HID would be possible (35-80W). A short-arc would probably require 10x the cost.

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I think LED is taking over HID in term of throw.

It will only get better in the long run when LED technology improve further Smile

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Nicolicous wrote:
I think LED is taking over HID in term of throw.

It will only get better in the long run when LED technology improve further Smile


HID bulbs are still faaaar ahead of LED.

I think I will be able to pass the maxabeam with my next LED flashlight build, but it’s gonna cost a lot of money and be pretty large.
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Kudos to you for even attempting it!

I would still recommend saving up for a (used) Maxabeam. It’s such a great toy with motorized focus :D. The current models have no Step-Down and all Xenon bulbs have 100cri, so the light quality is much higher compared to LEDs.

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Enderman wrote:
I think I will be able to pass the maxabeam with my next LED flashlight build, but it’s gonna cost a lot of money and be pretty large.

Enderman will build another Zooka LOL

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The_Driver wrote:
Kudos to You for even attempting it!

I would still recommend saving up for a (used) Maxabeam. It’s such a great toy with motorized focus :D. The current models have no Step-Down and all Xenon bulbs have 100cri, so the light quality is much higher compared to LEDs.


Thanks Smile
It’s expensive though, like $500+ usually, which I could put towards my next flashlight project.
On top of that, it is like 1.5x more expensive for me thanks to the canadian dollar xD

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Enderman will build another Zooka LOL

Certainly, I will not stop until I have a non-bulb flashlight that can beat all of those short arc lights on that graph Wink
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Well I guess you’re gonna need some serious XXXL aspherics for that… Good luck Thumbs Up

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luminarium iaculator wrote:
Well I guess you’re gonna need some serious XXXL aspherics for that… Good luck Thumbs Up

Not this time, it will be reflector only Big Smile and thank you
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I made an ‘invention’ for a reflector LED light:

“Wavien dome”

The dome will have to be attached to the glass lens

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Jerommel wrote:
I made an ‘invention’ for a reflector LED light:

“Wavien dome”

The dome will have to be attached to the glass lens


Pretty similar to the design often used for short arc lamps:

Compared to a lens+wavien collar of the same diameter it will have less lux though, since the lens won’t have the dead spot in the middle.
The lens will also give a tighter beam since all of the points on the surface will be at a longer distance from the LED.

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“Good”, “affordable”, and “HID” seldom collide in the same conversation.

How about “ultraportable”, “affordable”, “HID”…“headlamp” ?



 


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Enderman wrote:
Jerommel wrote:
I made an ‘invention’ for a reflector LED light:

“Wavien dome”

The dome will have to be attached to the glass lens


Pretty similar to the design often used for short arc lamps:

Compared to a lens+wavien collar of the same diameter it will have less lux though, since the lens won’t have the dead spot in the middle.
The lens will also give a tighter beam since all of the points on the surface will be at a longer distance from the LED.

Sure, but it would be fun (difficult fun) to try on the GT for example.
No more spill and a bit more beam.

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Jerommel wrote:
Sure, but it would be fun (difficult fun) to try on the GT for example.
No more spill and a bit more beam.

Yup.
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Wait…I must have missed that memo about hid’s getting phased out. Facepalm

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hron61 wrote:
Wait…I must have missed that memo about hid’s getting phased out. Facepalm

Hmm, what’s the “texture” on the front lens of the Polarion?

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It’s a factory diffuser. It just clips in the grooves of the bezel ring. They work amazingly.
I call the diffused light from this a big ol ball of cotton beam, removes the hotspot completely.

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Recently saw this Czech company, they make 4 models all HID, top one -> throw 4 kilometers…

 

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hid has advantages on throw, but in many situation a sililar sized light like the BLF GT with LED is more useful

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Awesome shot.  HID not worth it anymore imho   

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Does the Title of this topic still hold true? Have LED tech advanced where HID is being forgotten?

I ask cause I don’t have any HID lights and would be interested to have one. what are the major brands out there?

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Is this headlamp stable?

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mgracia85 wrote:
Does the Title of this topic still hold true? Have LED tech advanced where HID is being forgotten?

I doubt it. LEDs are nowhere close to the luminance for the size of the light source as HID, though LED is likely far better when a wider view of illumination is needed. A few marine large searchlight makers use both now for both spot and flood.

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Just saw this thread and i had to stop by. They are less in use due to AWWW LED’s these days but i spoke with some high end torch makers they start thinking about drivers similar to AW and AlanB regulators. I don’t have any HID but i do have dozen incan mods from 1×16340 up to 8×18650 versions.
My latest build is CPF Fivemega Elephant II with 3” head and AlanB regulator which will run Osram 64657 bulb (250W – 11000lm).
Don’t have pictures but i’ll be happy to post after i get home from a trip.

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Yes. Pictures.

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Realistically HID was dead back in at least 2009. I know because at that time irrc the best thing going was the xevision 75W. Which could be blown away by a few hundred dollar diy mod.
Still to this day nothing goes over true 70-80watts handheld. From what i understand there are no quality high wattage long life bulbs and that is the main reason. All quality offroad hid lights max out at just 60-70watt by looks of it. HID is beyond dead because it is simply to expensive to make a quality reliable longlife high wattage monster for such a small demand, in a world full of mass produced leds. 800bucks for a reflector??
Military handheld lights are fine 70watts is plenty i would say, the lemax can throw 4km so that would be plenty for law enforcement, rescue etc. But flashaholics would like 200watts minimum.

When i think of hid, what comes to mind is old fashion awful things. Cheap slapped up large reflectors, massive body and ballast, useless pencil beams which are not even perfect. Long gone those days led is the only way.

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I’m confused. My car has HID’s and I love them to death. Is this strictly a hand variant death wail I’m reading about?

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Relampago wrote:
Is this strictly a hand variant death wail I’m reading about?

I believe so.

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