FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

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raccoon city wrote:

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1438048#comment-1438048

User stylesheets. Slick and thanks for the link. May need to switch mobile browsers to get this to work, but I’m thinking it’s worth it. Seems straightforward to nuke quoted replies as well. Just a matter of matching the nesting. Fun project for tomorrow

Thanks raccoon city!

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I personally don't think the FW3A Team owes me ANYTHING - I think it is the other way around. 

 

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Scallywag wrote:
We can appreciate this, wait, and realize that everyone on the enthusiast side of things is not getting paid for any of this or you can continue your entitled attitude and toxic posting. If you’re really so fed up with the wait and whatever details of the light and the communication, I’d be happy to consider participating in the group buy you run. I also think constructive criticism is super useful here, but you’re just whining. It g[ot] old dozens of pages ago.

It certainly does get old. But it’s not just “dozens of pages ago”; it’s now over three years. Despite appearences, he’s well aware of how these things work, and even attempted a group buy in the past. So there’s history. The condensed version is: There was a lot of complaining and drama, a lot of “put up or shut up” responses, and some attempts to “put up“. But it didn’t go well. Threads were closed by the admin. A rude point system was added. Some extremely inappropriate private messages were sent. Then the posts and account were deleted, though I’m not sure if it was a ban or a quit. I assumed it was a ban, but I could be wrong. Things were quiet for a while. Eventually a new account showed up with similar behavior, but nobody knew for sure until last October when he revealed he was the same person.

So… there’s a lot of background involved. Sometimes he has useful and constructive things to say, though that can be hard to see when it’s so often cloaked in negativity. Sometimes it’s just angry rambling. Sometimes false or made-up stuff. Sometimes FUD. Sometimes I can’t even figure out what he’s talking about… like coded messages or something. And sometimes he’s helpful.

It’s not an easy thing to deal with. Responding tends to turn threads into flame wars, but the common wisdom of ignoring it is often harmful in other ways. So BLF has a button for it which attempts to avoid both failure modes. Regardless though, the action recommended by our admin is to click the button instead of responding, and otherwise generally try to stay on topics which are relevant or enjoyable.

… and on that note:

Scallywag wrote:
Fritz, if he’s around, is probably around on the German forum, which is where this light originated. (It’s probably pretty egotistical of us at BLF to act otherwise, but that’s another story)

This is Fritz’ design; he and Cawi started the project on TLF. However, every original team member has left the project. As far as I’m aware, no one has heard from Fritz or Cawi since late 2018. They seem too busy these days to be involved. So Bluzie took over duties on TLF, and I’m helping with stuff here.

gregfortune wrote:
User stylesheets. Slick and thanks for the link. … Seems straightforward to nuke quoted replies as well.

The “BLF after dark” link in my signature has some useful stylesheets for this.

Ryzbor wrote:
Why no XPL-HI 5D for the 4000K option? It has a great tint and offers some significant advantages over the SST-20.

It’s not ruled out entirely. We’re mostly just trying to make what people voted for first, before possibly venturing into other options. The flavors which got the most votes were:

  • XP-L HI ~4900K
  • LH351D hi-CRI ~4000K

But I personally wouldn’t mind if Lumintop decided to make a full spread of XP-L HI versions. Like, 3300K, 4100K, 4900K, 5700K, all in rosy “A” or “D” tint bins. We even have enough poll data to determine approximate quantities of each, if they want to try that sort of thing. But I think the actual plan is to do ~4900K first, then try to do LH351D as soon as emitters can be obtained, and then maybe try other tints later if they think it’s worthwhile.

This sums things up well:

MtnDon wrote:
People have different likes, so it is a good thing there are leds with different characteristics.

The plan is to try to cover a variety of different preferences. But that’s pretty much up to Neal and Lumintop.

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Tom Tom wrote:
We’ll get what we are given, maybe one day.

Neal has had every opportunity to up his game and source the then desired alternative LEDs, told us that he had done so. Turned out to be un-true.

Likewise failure to source basic stuff like optics in good time. Maybe down to him, maybe not.

Nor willingness/decency to arrange for prototypes to be sent to those who matter.

No confidence in his ability to eventually get these out to BLF or TLF lists in an orderly manner. Or cope. Expect a free-for-all.

But I dare say he will try to take his cut however it works out. AFAIK he is just a drop-shipper, little physical presence. He seems to be a chancer with little real positive contribution, perhaps the opposite, but somehow seems to have inserted himself and become key to this project.

Suggestion to Lumintop: cut out the middleman, make these once you have all the bits and are confident in the product (maybe send some more out to selected others for final checks, a little more delay is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things), distribute through serious distributors who have all the procedures in place worldwide, and know how to manage a big list. Banggood, Gearbest etc. And can manage returns etc.

Unique codes per listee, valid for say 50 days, then open it up. Meanwhile also sell at full price by all means.

Otherwise it’s all looking very mickey-mouse.

Apologies if I have mis-judged him.

This could be an enduring money-spinner, capable of future development, but it’s already getting old, even if it delivers tomorrow. And some on the lists may already have run out of patience, don’t rely on all of us to order.

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I know just enough about what’s been going on behind the scenes to know Tom is only saying things others are too polite to say. Neal isn’t a flawless saint just because he sources flashlight discounts for BLF, and there’s no excuse for how he’s handled many aspects of the FW3A development and production. Do we need regular Tom Tom misery posts to remind us? Probably not, but don’t act like he’s just making it all up.
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And besides, nobody spent money on the light yet, yes? Unless Tom Tom knows something that we don’t.

I don’t mind if he complains, but some of his complaints are filled with impatience.

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I can’t find this one on Urban Dictionary: BM&C

Can anyone confirm that stands for b***hing, moaning & complaining?

lol there’s a lot of straight forward acronyms but some are quite unique

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While I am sure that at least some sufficient quantity of the things Tom Tom is accused of are true, I also refuse to condone the bashing and scorn anything he says seems to attract except in any such case where it’s warranted. He’s not the only one who’s not impressed with Neal, and he’s not wrong to have that opinion. The amount of bitching and whining about his actually quite reasonable couple of recent posts is greater by far than any particular whining content of those posts on their own. If you want to get the moral high ground, shut the “buck” up and look at your own behavior when you respond to him and anyone on the internet. Use the systems in place if and when someone /does/ do something out of line. Otherwise, if you want to argue about opinions you argue without insulting the other side, because if you’re sure you’re right, you should have other ways to prove it.

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Time for everyone to take a deep breath and admire the pretty lights Steve

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Yeah, I might not even need this light if I make any more with electronic tail switches by myself Big Smile

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CRX wrote:
Yeah, I might not even need this light if I make any more with electronic tail switches by myself Big Smile

I’ll end up proposing you enough money so you build me one…
I’m not even sure if I want it anymore Tired

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Tom Tom, please drop the subject.


 


 

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CRX wrote:
Yeah, I might not even need this light if I make any more with electronic tail switches by myself Big Smile

And our partner constructing the next 5000 BLF specials is…………. CRX! Well done you!
You better get 2000 metal files on order mate, along with a tonne of copper bar, 3 miles of carbon fibre tube , 10,000 Dremel cut off disks…………… 100 pairs of new hands and a 30 pairs of new eyeballs! Silly
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Well, if we could find a manufacturer…
You guys could have them cool lights too Wink

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I was asked about a production light and designed a little titanium & copper zoomie, never heard back though LOL 

I know it's a zoomie but it would be nice in my opinion, maybe could be made in a standard single/ triple format too.

Though thinking more about it now, I would probably make it an electronic switch Smile

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If it’s easy enough to convert to a triple, put me on the list CRX Innocent

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Very nice CRX. I always love a good zoomie!

And yes please on the electronic switch for it. Love

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DO IT! I’M IN!

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Hey team FW3A, I would like to please be put down for a 4th light. Thanks

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CRX wrote:

I was asked about a production light and designed a little titanium & copper zoomie, never heard back though LOL 


I’d love to see a light manufactured that you were involved with designing, even a zoomie Big Smile Somebody not getting back to you sounds like a huge missed opportunity.
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Firelight2 wrote:
Very nice CRX. I always love a good zoomie!

And yes please on the electronic switch for it. Love


+1. Smile

Though I can’t help but wonder why it needs so much driver space.

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That’s supposed to be solid copper heatsink Wink

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FW3A optics expected to finally arrive next week as previously announced.

In the meantime, could anyone remind me what was that new great looking light some people are taking about? Beer

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An update from Neal: Optics are expected next week, and assembly should start very quickly. He’s planning to send some items for smoke testing to make sure nothing is broken, and then it sounds like actual production can happen. Emitters are XP-L HI 3D and SST-20 4000K.

An optimistic timeline puts launch at about 3 weeks, if everything goes as well as possible.

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okay so its confirmed that samsung emitters are scrapped and sst20 instead correct ?

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P33 wrote:
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mortuus wrote:
okay so its confirmed that samsung emitters are scrapped and sst20 instead correct ?

I’m not sure if it’s scrapped or just delayed.

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okay TK, guess i and all others that wanted the samsung will have to wait then..

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Thanks TK. Any indication of SST tint bin?

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