Emisar D1sV2 respectively Noctigon K1

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Emisar D1sV2 respectively Noctigon K1

In the german TLF somebody quoted Hank:

“… we do have the plan for the D1SV2, with truely constant current, bigger head, USB-C charger, 21700 battery, should be 50kcd+ with the Osram LED. There will be XHP35HI options as well.”

And futher on he said it should be available in the next 1-2 month.

Sounds extremly exciting! But bigger head+osram LED = 50kcd? Maybe a mistake? Should be much more, shouldnt it?

Cheers, Michael

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Exciting, but 50kcd? hopefully, that’s just a typo, a standard well focused stock Convoy C8 with XPL-HI will do about 100 kcd
My C8 with Osram 1mm2 does twice that easily

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My hope is that he meant 500kcd Big Smile but maybe thats a bit too much Wink

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D1S is advertised as 130 kcd, that must be a typo. The cancelled D1S+ was supposed to be 320 kcd with Osram LED.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/64066

With a bigger head, maybe Hank meant 500 kcd. But… first Emisar using 21700, now that’s exciting!

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“Larger reflector” (than D1s v1) and osram 1mm^2 will easily do 500kcd, bet it was just a typo.

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Can’t wait to see more. Would love to get it with XHP35 HI (Osrams are surely going to be too narrow for my uses).
Though with a large inductor and Type C port it could really use a high current powerbank capability. Wink

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Hank sent an update: he did mean 500kcd, it was a typo. Nice Wink

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Interested !

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Damn!

Wait, having a linear 5A FET driver means great SST-20 compatibility.

Finally! A stock high CRI super thrower!

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Very Interested. Hopefully a high cri offering.

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Wow! USB-C, 21700, constant current. It’s like a dream come true!

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Damn!

Wait, having a linear 5A FET driver means great SST-20 compatibility.

Finally! A stock high CRI super thrower!

That would be sweet. I am waiting for something like that since ages.

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hoping for a reduction in price in clearing out the version 1. Doubt it however.

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Interesting. V1 is already a great compact thrower, at ~130 kcd. If there’s a V2 with 500 kcd, that’ll be … kind of awesome. That would increase the throw from 721m to 1414m. That’s two thirds the throw of a BLF GT, in a light a small fraction the size.

Of course, it’d also be a pencil beam. But that’s to be expected from throwers.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Interesting. V1 is already a great compact thrower, at ~130 kcd. If there’s a V2 with 500 kcd, that’ll be … kind of awesome. That would increase the throw from 721m to 1414m. That’s two thirds the throw of a BLF GT, in a light a small fraction the size.

Of course, it’d also be a pencil beam. But that’s to be expected from throwers.


Well, the 1mm^2 “White Flat” does that for you. I wonder what a BLF GT size light with a properly focused “White Flat” emitter would do in terms of throw. Pencil beam for real! Shocked

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DavidEF wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
Interesting. V1 is already a great compact thrower, at ~130 kcd. If there’s a V2 with 500 kcd, that’ll be … kind of awesome. That would increase the throw from 721m to 1414m. That’s two thirds the throw of a BLF GT, in a light a small fraction the size.

Of course, it’d also be a pencil beam. But that’s to be expected from throwers.


Well, the 1mm^2 “White Flat” does that for you. I wonder what a BLF GT size light with a properly focused “White Flat” emitter would do in terms of throw. Pencil beam for real! Shocked

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Sounds awesome!

I’ll certainly add a couple to my collection of Emisars. Smile

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Some news from Hank:

“The USB-C port is only the threads of the tube, so that the waterproof is not affected.
It does not support the firmware updating, however, there are reflashing pads on the back of
the driver, which is the same as the D4V2.
Regards,
Hank”

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I’m not a fan of usb port in the threads. Don’t like having to touch thread grease and I doubt anyone goes diving with this light. But oh well, at least there’s usb-c in this light.

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I on the other hand like the USB port in the threads a lot, it is a solid and waterproof position, superior to putting them in leaking holes under silicon flaps.

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I’m a magnetic charger person but this sounds like a great light in the making to me.

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mili111 wrote:
Some news from Hank:

“The USB-C port is only the threads of the tube, so that the waterproof is not affected.
It does not support the firmware updating, however, there are reflashing pads on the back of
the driver, which is the same as the D4V2.
Regards,
Hank”

I like this charging port layout. It is like the Heikelite SC01. A seperate charging circuit that is properly sealed off. Even driver changes are possible with this setup. Good stuff Hank!

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Lmao, ordered a d1s a week or two ago, and already a new version. I wanted a 18650 thrower so it still fits the bill however.

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Does this strike anyone else as odd?

“It does not support the firmware updating, however, there are reflashing pads on the back of
the driver, which is the same as the D4V2.”

So, it will have the contact points but cannot be flashed? Change in cpu? Maybe not an ATMega chip?

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mattlward wrote:
Does this strike anyone else as odd?

“It does not support the firmware updating, however, there are reflashing pads on the back of
the driver, which is the same as the D4V2.”

So, it will have the contact points but cannot be flashed? Change in cpu? Maybe not an ATMega chip?


I think its USB connection to PC cant re flash but the pads can

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That could be… I really hope that is the case. I love my old D1 and it sounds like this would just be better.

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FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
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IF it indeed has a constant current driver then it probably can’t be flashed to the Anduril programs we’ve been using, hence it does not support the upgrades flashing. That’s fine, as long as the UI is real world… for a decent 21700 thrower we can make a couple of small compromises. Smile

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Dale, I know… but with drivers are doing so much more now days than a couple of years ago… setting up a standard UI would be nice since it would make the lights easy to switch between.

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FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
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Right, but how do you make a standard UI fit all the different drive methods? Direct drive, constant current, boost, buck, boost/buck . I mean, I don’t know how to write code or anything but I do know it’s a much more complex issue than most tend to think it is. You have to write the code to fit the programming chip, available memory and available pin legs, it all changes between the varying driver designs so how do you do it? And what’s in it for those that know how? More accusations? More blame? Certainly no big paychecks…

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Following…
SST20 is in my head… Bluesword is right, hi cri super thrower

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mattlward wrote:
Does this strike anyone else as odd?

“It does not support the firmware updating, however, there are reflashing pads on the back of
the driver, which is the same as the D4V2.”

So, it will have the contact points but cannot be flashed? Change in cpu? Maybe not an ATMega chip?

Oh, that means the flashlight’s USB port isn’t used for reflashing the driver firmware. However, the driver still has flashing pads like the D4v2 does, so it can be reflashed in the same way as other Emisar lights. In other words, it still requires a pogo pin adapter… a USB cable alone isn’t sufficient.

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Right, but how do you make a standard UI fit all the different drive methods? Direct drive, constant current, boost, buck, boost/buck . I mean, I don’t know how to write code or anything but I do know it’s a much more complex issue than most tend to think it is. You have to write the code to fit the programming chip, available memory and available pin legs, it all changes between the varying driver designs so how do you do it? And what’s in it for those that know how? More accusations? More blame? Certainly no big paychecks…

It can definitely be tricky to make a single program work consistently on a variety of different hardware. It involves all sorts of different abstraction layers and modular designs to allow the front end to remain pretty much the same regardless of what back end it’s running on. I’d say that’s why they pay me the big bucks, but … the bucks aren’t big.

Regardless, I think this will be an interesting light.

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