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If we are still under 3000 I’d like to be added for two more units please. Total of 4.
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I added you and the interest list is currently at 2,903.

Even though we’ve had some unfortunately things happen in the batch 1 buy I’d be really really surprised if everyone didn’t get the lanterns they signed up for.

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Just ordered mine with batteries through the Amazon AU store with coupon code, thanks to the team for putting in this massive effort to make undoubtedly the best LED lantern money can buy.

Hopefully the drama in the last few days won’t affect my order.

annnnnnnnnnnnnd 4 hours later I get shipping notice Big Smile Thumbs Up

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so i just wait for the second batch and wait PM from Sofirn and then make the purchase on AE? still confuse here. #980.

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Would like to buy 1 lantern when available.

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As I said in an earlier post, people that use eBay or AliExpress should have to provide the Amazon discount link/code that they received in their PM in order to receive the discount for each LT1. A few of us did try to warn about cheaters.

I don’t understand why so much focus has been placed upon deleting Alex’ posts and quotes of said posts, as surely everyone immediately sees how to do what he did. I’ve gone back to one of my earlier posts to delete my own mention, as apparently we should not discuss the entirely obvious flaws in the prior system. Surely anyone here can figure out how to game a system with a public GB list and no confirmation codes.

Our only hope here was honesty and it worked quite well for the most part; there are always a few buttholes that have nothing better to do than to lie, cheat, and steal.

I don’t understand how deleting a user’s entire post history and all descriptions of his cheat is helpful at all. You can’t, and shouldn’t, hide information. Leave the cheater’s posts for everyone to see, block the cheater’s account (which he can easily replace and thus reappear under a different name), and, most importantly, improve the system that was so easily thwarted.

With all of that said, it’s hard to believe that this person openly admitted his cheat as he was obviously taking other people’s lanterns and seemed to know it. The audacity of “I didn’t want to wait in line, so I cheated” is incredible. Why would anyone be so selfish?

I sincerely hope that this person’s LT1’s get crushed flat during transit, if he gets them at all. There will always be a few worthless a**holes in any group this large. In ancient times, folks like this probably wound up as lion bait Wink .

And to those who are worried that the Group Buy is threatened or ruined, please take a deep breath. There are many people both here and at Sofirn who are committed to making this work, so grab your towel and…

Thanks again to everyone who is still working hard to pull this off! Your volunteer effort is appreciated!

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Question: what type of plastic is the diffuser made from? Thank you.

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I tried to order it on ebay and sent some price offer several times since the weekend. But there was no answer. How to order it now?

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I tried to order it on ebay and sent some price offer several times since the weekend. But there was no answer. How to order it now?

At the moment purchasing from eBay and Aliexpress is suspended. Sofirn has taken immediate countermeasures to prevent fraudulent ordering from non-groupbuy customers. They are very sorry for the inconvenience and will do their very best to resolve that situation as quickly and conveniently as possible. Sofirn promised that eventually everyone on the groupbuy list will get their lantern(s) for the groupbuy price, no matter what happened during the past hours because some [censored] thought they need to cheat and f***k up this groupbuy.

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Relax. Why would any half decent person try to cheat when there is still space available on the group buy list?

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Relax. Why would any half decent person try to cheat when there is still space available on the group buy list?
  • Because some people can't be patient to wait their turn while Sofirn sends out the codes in order of appearance on the groupbuy list.
  • Because some people think some rules do not apply to them and therefore try to find and use any loopholes. Please don't forget the fact that this is Sofirn's first big groupbuy and one of BLF's biggest groupbuys ever. There is always a risk of loopholes but mistakes happen and the good thing about it is that we will learn from them and do better in the future. Smile
  • Because Sofirn is probably surprised about the significant increase in demand within the past 2 weeks and needs to reschedule their production plan in order to meet this big demand. Thus, there will be some additional delay we need to face now.

In my humble opinion, the only thing that counts is that everyone on the list will get their lantern(s) for the price that was promised. Waiting for let's say another month seems okay to me, taking into consideration that the entire project took some years of hard work. Thumbs Up 

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oto wrote:
Relax. Why would any half decent person try to cheat when there is still space available on the group buy list?

Because they’re not 50% decent? Wink

Though they’ve been erased from history, this person stated that they were high on the GB list and did not want to wait so long for their LT1. In other words, even their mother can’t stand them.

What’s surprising is not that some loser cheated, but that they thought they should share with the rest of us how we could do so as well, as though they were being helpful.

This is all I will say about this as it’s already been taken care of.

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Wieselflinkpro wrote:
I tried to order it on ebay and sent some price offer several times since the weekend. But there was no answer. How to order it now?

At the moment purchasing from eBay and Aliexpress is suspended. Sofirn has taken immediate countermeasures to prevent fraudulent ordering from non-groupbuy customers. They are very sorry for the inconvenience and will do their very best to resolve that situation as quickly and conveniently as possible. Sofirn promised that eventually everyone on the groupbuy list will get their lantern(s) for the groupbuy price, no matter what happened during the past hours because some [censored] thought they need to cheat and f***k up this groupbuy.


Yes I read about the “Alex-Gate” and what he has written before he was deleted from the forum.
But my first price offer was sunday 2019-10-13, thats what I am wondering.
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Will the second batch be different than the first?

I suppose the second batch will have problems fixed (if they exist).

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[...] But my first price offer was sunday 2019-10-13, thats what I am wondering.

I could only imagine they were / are busy with some backlog due to high demand.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

oto wrote:
Relax. Why would any half decent person try to cheat when there is still space available on the group buy list?
  • Because some people can't be patient to wait their turn while Sofirn sends out the codes in order of appearance on the groupbuy list.
  • Because some people think some rules do not apply to them and therefore try to find and use any loopholes. Please don't forget the fact that this is Sofirn's first big groupbuy and one of BLF's biggest groupbuys ever. There is always a risk of loopholes but mistakes happen and the good thing about it is that we will learn from them and do better in the future. Smile
  • Because Sofirn is probably surprised about the significant increase in demand within the past 2 weeks and needs to reschedule their production plan in order to meet this big demand. Thus, there will be some additional delay we need to face now.

In my humble opinion, the only thing that counts is that everyone on the list will get their lantern(s) for the price that was promised. Waiting for let's say another month seems okay to me, taking into consideration that the entire project took some years of hard work. Thumbs Up 

Lux-Perpetua, if you had a Patreon account, I would contribute! Seriously!

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leftdisconnected wrote:
…I don’t understand how deleting a user’s entire post history and all descriptions of his cheat is helpful at all…
This I don’t get either. His only posts were on that. It’s not like banning him and deleting his posts was actually going to matter to him.
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I have no doubt that everyone here will get their lanterns shipped within a couple of months. After all, it is only a small group buy consisting of 3500 potential orders. Comparing to all the things ever made in China and designed elsewhere, this is really not a big deal. Looking at my trusty Sofirn Q8 which has been heavily used, believe our combined LT1 team can also deliver — they have already taken actions to squash the bug!

Think about it, over 40% sellers on the global Amazon are based in China. Just the province of Guandong’s GDP was at US$1.5 trillion last year. Meanwhile, Guandong (where Sofirn is in) import-export volume in 2018 reached US$1085 billion and keeps growing. Although cheaters have always been around throughout the trade history, but in such a large scale of demands, with less than 1% cheated, I don’t think they even matter at all. Overall, I wish LT1 project a very successful story! Beer

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I understand that the group buy has been suspended temporarily, but is the list still being updated?
I put in a request to add my name to the list a little while back, but I dont’ see it on the list yet.
Should it be done via PM instead of posting here?

Thanks!

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I think a lot of us were under the impression that Sofirn may have been trying to dump the first 500 LT1’s and that was the reason for the eBay and AliExpress no code needed offers.
There was a lot of discussion about firmware changes and color offerings in the 2nd batch.
There were people talking about waiting for the 1st batch to sell out and not using thier codes or waiting to use thier codes until the end of the 30 day expiration date.
There was a lot of confusion after Sofirn made those 2 posts. Looks like that is getting sorted out.
What Alex did and what some others may have done by ordering an LT1 off of eBay are two different things IMO.
I don’t think we should be laying the guilt trip on those who grabbed an LT1 or two from eBay.
It was a messy start that’s for sure. It appears everyone who was legitimately on the list, will get the Lanterns they requested. Back to chill status…

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jimahi wrote:
I understand that the group buy has been suspended temporarily, but is the list still being updated?
I put in a request to add my name to the list a little while back, but I dont’ see it on the list yet.
Should it be done via PM instead of posting here?

Thanks!


Updates are typically tabulated and published weekly.
With the last minute rush, there have been some off-cycle updates posted, but those are exceptions to the normal weekly standard.

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Well, I don’t have power outages (I hope…), and I have no money to buy the lantern this month, so I’m cool Silly

Being #1820 on the list…and knowing that the GB in suspended in AliExpress, I guess…I will really wait until I get the code by PM to buy one from Amazon(.de)! Even if it only happens in some months Silly

Thanks for the updates on this and for fixing the “issues” that emerged! Thumbs Up

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Stereodude wrote:
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…I don’t understand how deleting a user’s entire post history and all descriptions of his cheat is helpful at all…
This I don’t get either. His only posts were on that. It’s not like banning him and deleting his posts was actually going to matter to him.

Where did you get the idea that what matters to “him” has any importance?

Openly stating how to game a broken but still active process and documenting the steps they took to jump the line at the potential expense of others after carefully insuring their cheating was successful – those are neither consistent with the caliber of person we wish to be associated with, nor helpful in revamping the process.

(note – “we” is collective and used in the royal manner, but I am not officially speaking for the site or design team)

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I think many of us were confused rather than cheating. Last week I read a post that said you could order them on EBay by making an offer with the group buy price and user name. So that’s what I did. My offer expired and was not accepted. It wasn’t until I read through all the posts that I saw they only made 500. So apparently I’m in the second batch.

So at least on my part, I had no intention to line jump. I just was excited to finally be able to order one.
Thanks for all the hard work on this project! I can’t wait to get one. I jut wish I would have put in for 2 of them.

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Phaze13 wrote:
I’m I understanding this right?
People are purchasing on eBay now without a code and just mentioning their user name in the BLF thread? Then getting a confirmation that is shipped?

Or did I misunderstand some of the previous thread comments.

This group buy is a little different than the FW3A.

I attempted to shed some light on this last week, seemed to fall on deaf ears. Glad to see there is light on the subject now.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
At the moment purchasing from eBay and Aliexpress is suspended. Sofirn has taken immediate countermeasures to prevent fraudulent ordering from non-groupbuy customers. They are very sorry for the inconvenience and will do their very best to resolve that situation as quickly and conveniently as possible. Sofirn promised that eventually everyone on the groupbuy list will get their lantern(s) for the groupbuy price, no matter what happened during the past hours […].

Maybe this needs to be on post #1, too?

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MascaratumB wrote:
Lux-Perpetua wrote:
At the moment purchasing from eBay and Aliexpress is suspended. Sofirn has taken immediate countermeasures to prevent fraudulent ordering from non-groupbuy customers. They are very sorry for the inconvenience and will do their very best to resolve that situation as quickly and conveniently as possible. Sofirn promised that eventually everyone on the groupbuy list will get their lantern(s) for the groupbuy price, no matter what happened during the past hours […].

Maybe this needs to be on post #1, too?


Agreed, I messaged DBSAR to that affect also.

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Richp wrote:
I think many of us were confused rather than cheating. …

There was plenty of confusion to go around. Between people stating what did and didn’t work for them with no mention of what their request number was or if they had received the PM yet, and I’m guessing some price match approvals that should have been rejected, it was really hard to know who was talking about what and how to proceed. I’m / we’re not upset with anyone who thought they were following the proper process.

Promise – we’re trying to make things as clear and simple as possible for when ordering is opened up again.

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Responding to some comments above.

- I’m still taking names and the next updates will be posted Sunday evening. It’s not really efficient for me to do this every evening (and for DBSAR to update post #1) so please be patient. Given that, anyone who posted an interest during a week should check the following week’s updates to verify that their name is indeed on the list. I’m manually scraping names from BLF so it’s certainly possible that I missed a post.

- We are at 2,904 on the interest list. Sofirn has stated that everyone <= 3000 will get the group price so don’t worry about where you are on the list. After all these years please be patient for a month or 2 more Smile

- The first 500 LT’s are not any worse than the new ones will be. The major change is that colors will be available. There are other minor changes (firmware, some internal changes to facilitate production) that I doubt anyone would notice unless doing an in-depth comparison between LT’s from both batches. Sofirn said “1st batch and 2nd batch has the same function and quality”.

- As Lux-Perpetua said this is the biggest group buy ever in the history of BLF and Sofirn. So the problems aren’t really all that shocking and future group buys will be better for it. And don’t forget that people are doing this in their spare time and it’s not as if we can walk over to discuss or see things with Sofirn. Everything has been done with email/chat over many time and language differences.

- Sofirn is working hard to produce more lanterns and streamline the ordering process. I think they deserve a lot of credit for doing so.

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Please put me on the List! I want one

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I’m not sure if this has been answered already but I have 2 lights reserved within the first 500. However, I’m allowed to only order 1.so does that mean that it will be made up in the second or latter batches?

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