Someone tried Convoy C8+ with Osram KW CSLNM1.TG?

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Someone tried Convoy C8+ with Osram KW CSLNM1.TG?

Should be a very good little thrower. Might be too recent for reviews I’m afraid.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001400455356.html?spm=2114.12010612....

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Way ahead of you…

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https://www.banggood.com/pt/WAINLIGHT-C8+-NM1-5Modes-1050Lumens-LED-Flashlight-Super-Bright-Flashlight-p-1664610.html?rmmds=myorder&ID=6287965&cur_warehouse=CN

I got one of these … is it the same? I found it very interesting, in fact it seems to have 1000 lm + and it plays far away …. so the user interface I didn’t find the best …. I heard that Manker’s U22 II is better …. but I haven’t received it yet my.

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Very nice review video. Yes the wainlight is the same but with a different driver.

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Omega_17 wrote:
Very nice review video. Yes the wainlight is the same but with a different driver.

Which one is better?

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Cesconetto wrote:
https://www.banggood.com/pt/WAINLIGHT-C8+-NM1-5Modes-1050Lumens-LED-Flashlight-Super-Bright-Flashlight-p-1664610.html?rmmds=myorder&ID=6287965&cur_warehouse=CN

I got one of these … is it the same? I found it very interesting, in fact it seems to have 1000 lm + and it plays far away …. so the user interface I didn’t find the best …. I heard that Manker’s U22 II is better …. but I haven’t received it yet my.


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Manker’s U22 II
850 lumens, 1000m throw.
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Cesconetto wrote:
https://www.banggood.com/pt/WAINLIGHT-C8+-NM1-5Modes-1050Lumens-LED-Flas...

I got one of these ... is it the same? I found it very interesting, in fact it seems to have 1000 lm + and it plays far away .... so the user interface I didn't find the best .... I heard that Manker's U22 II is better .... but I haven't received it yet my.

Both the Wainlight C8S-G ("C8+ with Osram NM1 LED) and the Boruit C8 (also uses Osram NM1 LED) appear to use the same 7135x8 driver (the "old S2+ 5/3-mode group" driver). Only pushes the LED to around 2.8 Amps of power, based on my tailcap measurement.

I have yet to try the new Convoy C8+ with Osram NM1 LED, but if the description is correct, the power used is 4.8 Amps, which would put the Osram at near peak output and will throw farther.

 

 

Wainlight C8S-G with Osram NM1 LED beamshot

 

Manker U22 II (Osram NM1 LED) beamshot

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Manker U22 II vs Wainlight C8+ with Osram NM1 LED:

 

 

1/10th second shutter speed:

 

1/100th second shutter speed:

 

1/1000th second shutter speed:

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C8 osram will always be king. It actually appears to out throw my TN32 UT at great distances!

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M21A is identical to C8+, with 21700 cell, 44 mm diameter. Soon to be release L21A, Osram, 64 mm diameter, 21700 cell, will throw further.

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Rusty Joe wrote:
C8 osram will always be king. It actually appears to out throw my TN32 UT at great distances!

This is really impressive! This LED in a very large reflector would be like a laser like beam, impressive but not really useful.

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Omega_17 wrote:
Rusty Joe wrote:
C8 osram will always be king. It actually appears to out throw my TN32 UT at great distances!

This is really impressive! This LED in a very large reflector would be like a laser like beam, impressive but not really useful.

Yeah, the TN32 UT is ugly and useless. But the portable and handy OSRAM C8 is an even better illuminator all-round. I really have nothing that is THIS useful at spotting stuff!

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Cesconetto wrote:
https://www.banggood.com/pt/WAINLIGHT-C8+-NM1-5Modes-1050Lumens-LED-Flashlight-Super-Bright-Flashlight-p-1664610.html?rmmds=myorder&ID=6287965&cur_warehouse=CN

I got one of these … is it the same? I found it very interesting, in fact it seems to have 1000 lm + and it plays far away …. so the user interface I didn’t find the best …. I heard that Manker’s U22 II is better …. but I haven’t received it yet my.


Yeah. I bought this one over a month ago and they still haven’t shipped. Apparently it is out of stock. For a month… lol.

There’s no replacement for displacement.

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Maverick1947 wrote:
Cesconetto wrote:
https://www.banggood.com/pt/WAINLIGHT-C8+-NM1-5Modes-1050Lumens-LED-Flashlight-Super-Bright-Flashlight-p-1664610.html?rmmds=myorder&ID=6287965&cur_warehouse=CN

I got one of these … is it the same? I found it very interesting, in fact it seems to have 1000 lm + and it plays far away …. so the user interface I didn’t find the best …. I heard that Manker’s U22 II is better …. but I haven’t received it yet my.


Yeah. I bought this one over a month ago and they still haven’t shipped. Apparently it is out of stock. For a month… lol.

Hello Maverick! Mine has already been sent, but this has not been updated … I spoke to Manker but they say to wait, they claim the delay due to Covid.

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Cesconetto wrote:
Maverick1947 wrote:
Cesconetto wrote:
https://www.banggood.com/pt/WAINLIGHT-C8+-NM1-5Modes-1050Lumens-LED-Flashlight-Super-Bright-Flashlight-p-1664610.html?rmmds=myorder&ID=6287965&cur_warehouse=CN

I got one of these … is it the same? I found it very interesting, in fact it seems to have 1000 lm + and it plays far away …. so the user interface I didn’t find the best …. I heard that Manker’s U22 II is better …. but I haven’t received it yet my.


Yeah. I bought this one over a month ago and they still haven’t shipped. Apparently it is out of stock. For a month… lol.

Hello Maverick! Mine has already been sent, but this has not been updated … I spoke to Manker but they say to wait, they claim the delay due to Covid.


I bough mine on August the 3rd. It is still in Processing. Customer servicer doesn’t help either. I can either get a refund or exchange for something else. But I really want it. Hahaha.

There’s no replacement for displacement.

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Received mine. This thing is like a little laser, excellent but not very useful when using it at short distance. But its so powerful you can even use it during daylight to illuminate something under shadow.
Also its weird how there is no difference between the 30% and 100% mode, with the SST-40 there is a very small difference only noticeable at long range, definitely not worth wasting the battery life.

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Omega_17 wrote:
Received mine. This thing is like a little laser, excellent but not very useful when using it at short distance. But its so powerful you can even use it during daylight to illuminate something under shadow. Also its weird how there is no difference between the 30% and 100% mode, with the SST-40 there is a very small difference only noticeable at long range, definitely not worth wasting the battery life.

Told ya.

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Omega_17 wrote:
Received mine. This thing is like a little laser, excellent but not very useful when using it at short distance. But its so powerful you can even use it during daylight to illuminate something under shadow. Also its weird how there is no difference between the 30% and 100% mode, with the SST-40 there is a very small difference only noticeable at long range, definitely not worth wasting the battery life.

I see a clear difference from the low, the other 2 modes are a little bit harder to tell but the 100% is definitely the brightest Smile
(wainlight, to be clear)

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(wainlight, to be clear)

I have the clear Convoy C8+ its gorgeous and the cool white tint match the body color. Good thing is that the cool white is not blue like CREE LEDs.

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Hey all,

Just received my Convoy C8+ with the NM1 TG Osram in it, from Aliexpress.

Gotta say I’m a tad disappointed………it’s got a lot of nasty corona!

And I mean a lot!!!

It’s not a particularly good pic, it’s from an iPhone 10, and excuse the wall, it’s just been stripped of paper as we’re decorating, but as you can see, on 30%, it just doesn’t look right!! It looks a little green doesn’t it?

Or am I wrong? See for yourselves!

If it’s wrong it’s going back!

Cheers

Rob

and the lord did utter….‘let there be light’……..and CREE said ‘how much?’

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Hey all,

Just received my Convoy C8+ with the NM1 TG Osram in it, from Aliexpress.

Gotta say I’m a tad disappointed………it’s got a lot of nasty corona!

And I mean a lot!!!

It’s not a particularly good pic, it’s from an iPhone 10, and excuse the wall, it’s just been stripped of paper as we’re decorating, but as you can see, on 30%, it just doesn’t look right!! It looks a little green doesn’t it?

Or am I wrong? See for yourselves!

If it’s wrong it’s going back!

Cheers

Rob![url=https://imgur.com/v66xm79][img]http://i.imgur.com/v66xm79.jpg[/img][/url]!

Hello Rob,

Maybe you might want to check it outside during a night walk to see if it is that bad. Judging only from this photo is not possible imho. A general rule of thumb however, the better the CRI of the emitter, the less ill-looking the corona.

E.g. I have Convoy C8+ with 95CRI SST-20 4000K, and I had no issues with the corona at all. I had one with 65-70CRI Cree XM-L2 5000K, and that was spectacularly lot worse.

Corona quality also depends on the radial tint shift of the emitters by manufacturing technology. I am not aware, that Osram NM1 emitters are bad in this matter, but e.g. Cree XP-G3 or XHPxx.2 is definitely bad at this (for them, even the 90 CRI variants are horrible). However, even “standard CRI” XP-L HI or XHP35 HI emitters are almost flawless regarding the corona.

Apparently, not any of these super thrower Osram white tints are high CRI, just around 65-70. I would be also happier, if Osram ever considered making high CRI of these – but I didn’t have one of these whites, I was scared by the blue spike in the spectrum diagram, which was provided by the manufacturer.

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Stockton-Rob wrote:
Hey all,

Just received my Convoy C8+ with the NM1 TG Osram in it, from Aliexpress.

Gotta say I’m a tad disappointed………it’s got a lot of nasty corona!

And I mean a lot!!!

It’s not a particularly good pic, it’s from an iPhone 10, and excuse the wall, it’s just been stripped of paper as we’re decorating, but as you can see, on 30%, it just doesn’t look right!! It looks a little green doesn’t it?

Or am I wrong? See for yourselves!

If it’s wrong it’s going back!

Cheers

Rob![url=https://imgur.com/v66xm79][img]http://i.imgur.com/v66xm79.jpg[/img][/url]!

Hello Rob,

Maybe you might want to check it outside during a night walk to see if it is that bad. Judging only from this photo is not possible imho. A general rule of thumb however, the better the CRI of the emitter, the less ill-looking the corona.

E.g. I have Convoy C8+ with 95CRI SST-20 4000K, and I had no issues with the corona at all. I had one with 65-70CRI Cree XM-L2 5000K, and that was spectacularly lot worse.

Corona quality also depends on the radial tint shift of the emitters by manufacturing technology. I am not aware, that Osram NM1 emitters are bad in this matter, but e.g. Cree XP-G3 or XHPxx.2 is definitely bad at this (for them, even the 90 CRI variants are horrible). However, even “standard CRI” XP-L HI or XHP35 HI emitters are almost flawless regarding the corona.

Apparently, not any of these super thrower Osram white tints are high CRI, just around 65-70. I would be also happier, if Osram ever considered making high CRI of these – but I didn’t have one of these whites, I was scared by the blue spike in the spectrum diagram, which was provided by the manufacturer.

Hi Adam, my worry is that I took that pic at around 4m from the wall, and that at a longer range the corona will affect the hotspot (which is a nicely rounded one at that)!

I was going to buy a Wainlight C8+ to run as a comparison, but, they all look the same so to me I’m making an assumption (probably a wrong one) that they all have the same manufacturer, and are just rebranded!!

I’ll wait until dark and try it then, if I’m dissatisfied, it’ll be returned, simple.

Oh and the glass was a little dusty too, a resold return perhaps?

Cheers

Rob

and the lord did utter….‘let there be light’……..and CREE said ‘how much?’

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Well Adam, and the guys,

It’s dark outside, and as suspected, the corona is that disruptive, that the hotspot isn’t like any of the pics, videos etc that I’ve seen!

Major bummer.

I know I only paid £16 GBP (at that days particular exchange rate) but hey, it’s not what I paid for!!

So, it’s going back, I’ll be out of pocket, but I’m not happy!!

Another major bummer is, is I’m not sure I trust The Convoy Shop on Aliexpress!!

Ah well, time to lose more postage money!!

Unless you lot have any ideas?

Cheers

Rob

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The corona is normal, the LED phosphor is not perfectly at the middle by itself if you look closely. I don’t have this green tint, maybe its a faulty LED or its a different tint. Are you sure its from the official Convoy store? There is many fake stores.

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This C8+ with osram are not in use on small distances. But in long range are better than SST40 and XPL HI. Just it’s very little long range thrower. If you wanted near distance thrower you must get SST40 or XPL HI. They have no problem to be useful in distance bellow 50m.

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Hey guys thanks for the input!!

Hi Degman, I’m a long range thrower type myself, I have a TN42 for the longer ranges but it’s a bit big, I have an FT03 (SST-40 W) too, which is my current ‘go to’ flashlight, I bought an E10 recently also, good but it’s not breaking any records, so that’s me EDC ‘close quarters’ tool. I wanted a small but big thrower……..hence the C8+ purchase!!

Hello Omega, I think, only think, the green tint in the corona may actually come from A) the iPhone camera, and B) the actual wall!!!

I’m going up to a place in the hills (if it hasn’t been Corona-Closed) that has little or no light pollution, I take all my flashlights there, and I’ll see what’s what then!

Will keep you informed!

Regards

Rob

EDIT: I just ordered another C8+ from NealsGadgets!!!! To run a comparison!

and the lord did utter….‘let there be light’……..and CREE said ‘how much?’

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1) Convoy C8+ (Osram NM1, 12-mode Biscotti-clone driver, ~4.5 Amp driver) beamshot

 

 

2) Wainlight C8S-G (Osram NM1, 5/3-mode driver, 7135x8) beamshot 

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Hey..

At what range are those beamshots?

Thanks

Rob

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I even saw some small Convoy hosts with this Osram LED listed on Ali Express.

Based upon the above the Manker looks like it has higher Candela .

Am I missing something ?

I noticed a C8 Aspheric-
In order to use close up at ‘flood’ but still get
800 meter throw – which Emitter is best ?

The Manker has a moon mode and some much lower settings which might be useful at home.

Has anyone ordered the Convoy smaller hosts with different LEDs ?

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Hey..

At what range are those beamshots?

Thanks

Rob

opposite building is 125 meters ground-to-ground distance, as measured by Google Maps. I would estimate up to around 150 meters for diagonal distance.

how the scene looks during daytime